[mythtv-users] Netflix coming to MythTV native - no more wine/windows?

Nick Rout nick.rout at gmail.com
Wed Sep 24 04:08:00 UTC 2014


On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Michael T. Dean
<mtdean at thirdcontact.com> wrote:
> On 09/23/2014 02:17 AM, Joseph Fry wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Joseph Fry wrote:
>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> Ahh... but is ... considered scraping?
>>>
>>> "Duck test".  We all know scrapping when we see it.
>>> You want to scrape.
>>>
>>>> Perhaps, we can hope that NetFlix won't get too controlling... we pay
>>>> for
>>>> the content, not for their interface.
>>>
>>> Their interface *is* their content.  They are controlling
>>> their content, and how it is shown to you.  I am not a
>>> huge fan of their interface (their content), but I accept it
>>> is their choice.
>>>
>>>> If we are turned off by the interface
>>>> and have no way to use something different, they may start to lose
>>>> people.
>>>
>>> If every MythTV household that had NetFlix deleted their
>>> account, it would likely not be above the NetFlix
>>> subscriber churn noise (although it might impact the
>>> MythTV user base numbers, if one had to choose
>>> between being a MythTV household and a NetFlix
>>> subscriber due to the WAF).  While I am sure you are
>>> the center of the universe, I do not believe that Los
>>> Gatos revolves around you.  But please feel free to
>>> demonstrate your principals, and to lead the way,
>>> and to delete your NetFlix account until NetFlix does
>>> it your way.  It is the only way to show them who is
>>> in charge here!
>>
>>
>> My, aren't you negative.
>>
>> 1. I am not convinced what I am proposing would really be called
>> scraping...
>
>
> Call it whatever you want, but its name makes absolutely no difference.  The
> approach is explicitly prohibited by the ToU.  All you have to do is read
> those terms, which you can do at:  https://www.netflix.com/TermsOfUse
>
> Since you obviously haven't read it, yet, let me quote one part of it:
>
> ----
> 6. Netflix Service
>   e. You agree to use the Netflix service, including all features and
> functionalities associated therewith, in accordance with all applicable
> laws, rules and regulations, or other restrictions on use of the service or
> content therein. You agree not to archive, download (other than through
> caching necessary for personal use), reproduce, distribute, modify, display,
> perform, publish, license, create derivative works from, offer for sale, or
> use (except as explicitly authorized in these Terms of Use) content and
> information contained on or obtained from or through the Netflix service
> without express written permission from Netflix and its licensors. You also
> agree not to: circumvent, remove, alter, deactivate, degrade or thwart any
> of the content protections in the Netflix service; use any robot, spider,
> scraper or other automated means to access the Netflix service; decompile,
> reverse engineer or disassemble any software or other products or processes
> accessible through the Netflix service; insert any code or product or
> manipulate the content of the Netflix service in any way; or, use any data
> mining, data gathering or extraction method. In addition, you agree not to
> upload, post, e-mail or otherwise send or transmit any material designed to
> interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or
> hardware or telecommunications equipment associated with the Netflix
> service, including any software viruses or any other computer code, files or
> programs.
> ----
>
> Notice the explicit mention of "modify" and "create derivative works from"
> and "manipulate the content of the Netflix service in any way".
>
> Lawyered!  (And I don't mean what I did to you, but what Netflix did to all
> its users.)
>
> Mike

I am not sure that designing a web browser that displays the
information within the myth ui exactly counts as "modifying" content
or information. The whole point of a web browser is to separate
content from presentation (or it bloody used to be!). Nor is it IMHO
"creating a derivative work".

Manipulating - what the hell does that mean?

Point given above - is it against the ToU to browse netflix's UI with
a text based browser that dumps all the pictorial stuff on the floor?

So there you are, lawyered (although admittedly not my specialist area).

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