[mythtv-users] 0.25 Music

[Steven Adeff]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > From: Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > one man's playlist is another man's queue. and vice-versa.
>> >> >> I think the issue here isn't whether something is called a queue
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> playlist, but rather: It seems mostly everyone here wants to be
>> >> >> able
>> >> >> to select a track and have it play, rather than have to go
>> >> >> through
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> hassle of having to build a playlist then as a separate action,
>> >> >> go
>> >> >> play the playlist, even just for a single track. Thay also want
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> arrange and browse their music as files/folders already on the
>> >> >> drive,
>> >> >> not an artificial list order made by the player.
>> >> >
>> >> > Speak for yourself,
>> >>
>> >> I rest my case... (friendly jab, I'll buy you a beer)
>> >>
>> >> context for my thinking on how MythMusic should work as I sent
>> >> previously: I've been thinking about the interface for MythMusic
>> >> for
>> >> about 4years, during which time I've lived with 9 different people
>> >> (we
>> >> have a 5 bedroom apt), and our friends, who have all used our
>> >> apt-wide
>> >> MythTV setup. during that time I've been able to follow the music
>> >> listening habits of all these people, including what they are used
>> >> to
>> >> using on their laptops, and how they all interface with MythMusic,
>> >> as
>> >> well as how they have asked me to help organize their music on our
>> >> fileserver for their use in MythMusic. My point is, I haven't read
>> >> anything on this list as far as preferred use is concerned that I
>> >> have
>> >> not encountered from my sample group. There are a few distinct
>> >> methods
>> >> people have for how they listen and mentally organize their music.
>> >> What I posted previously in this thread is what I've found to be
>> >> the
>> >> method that would cover the essential way people think in terms of
>> >> music playback given a fixed database and screen. Granted, this
>> >> method
>> >> works best for those with an HDTV, and does require some "fancy"
>> >> GUI
>> >> effects, but it can be done, and I think would provide an excellent
>> >> interface for music playback overall.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I never select a single track to play -- I have
>> >> > no interest in selecting song after song after song. While I have
>> >> > an extensive (over 150 Gigs) of music in a somewhat order folder
>> >> > format
>> >> > - I don't listen to my music that way. I tend to select a genre
>> >> > (yes,
>> >> > a total pain to organize) and listen to it. I may create unique
>> >> > playlist
>> >> > for future listening. I don't tend to listen to a full album and
>> >> > I
>> >> > don't tend to listen to a single artist, only. You shouldn't
>> >> > assume
>> >> > that the vocal members of the group represent the majority of the
>> >> > group.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be interested to know how you organize your music currently in
>> >> MythMusic.
>> >
>> > I don't actually organize my music using mythmusic... The only thing
>> > I
>> > do for customizing my listening options is to create "smart
>> > playlist".
>> > BTW: smart playlist don't have to be based on local media --
>> > they just have to be access to the media (contrary to your
>> > suggestion
>> > -- "Smart Playlists" - smart playlists(for only local media)).
>>
>> Sorry, yes, I worded my question incorrectly (at least for the
>> information I'm looking for from you)...
>> I'd be interested to know how you organize your music currently FOR
>> USE IN MythMusic?
>> I agree, organizing *in* MythMusic would make me rip my hair out.
>>
>> Does MythMusic currently have "smart" playlists? (I've never really
>> used that feature so I don't know)
>> If it does, my comments about it in my previous email would not
>> reference in any way how they are currently done, mostly because I
>> don't know that so I don't want to tie myself to the current paradigm.
>>
>
> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic#Smart_Playlist

Ah, yes, that is essentially what I had in mind, I did not realize it
was already possible! Though it seems like they show up in the
interface?
I see also what  you mean by the comment on local media, I should have
been more clear in that "local media" I meant media local to the
MythTV system and not through a service such as Spotify, rdio, etc. So
anything in the database regardless of which machine it is on.


<snip>

>> I agree in that the screenshot is too busy for MythMusic directly,
>> what I am aiming for is the workflow concept of how that works. I also
>> think it may be too much for a standard definition TV regardless, that
>> said, I've never used MythTV on a standard tv and I can't imagine the
>> current interface would work well on it either.
>>
>
> I'm sorry,
>
> I don't follow about the idea of a "workflow", maybe I missed your point
> with the very busy image :}

haha, yea, and it's so much easier explaining not via email!

by workflow I mean how you navigate finding your music.

For instance, right now, using 0.24 MythMusic's directory display mode
I would navigate to All My Music, and then navigate through the
directory hierarchy I have created, until I find the album/track I'm
looking to play.

How I imagine a workflow based on what MythMusic (and in some ways how
iTunes also does it, amongst other media players as well), is that I
would go to the Library section for the MythTV local music, then using
filter sections, for instance: Genre, Artist, Album, I would first
select a specific Genre (or "all" if I don't care which Genre, or
perhaps a few different Genre if that is what I want), which would
then only display the Artists, Albums, and tracks which are tagged
with the selected Genre. Next I'd be able to choose a specific
Artist(s), which would then filter out to show only the Albums and
tracks by that artist(s).

My preference would be that those filters are user selectable. For
instance, WinAmp lets you have 2 or 3 filters and each filter type can
be selected from the various tag categories available (or even a
combination of two, ie Artist/Album, which is essentially just both
together). The user could choose a default number (say between 2 or 3)
and which tag category to filter, so that each time they go into
MythMusic those are used, but they could also change them while in
MythMusic as well.

does this make more sense?

<snip>

-- 
Steve
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