[mythtv-users] 0.25 Music

Thu Mar 8 19:49:10 UTC 2012

----- Original Message -----
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > From: Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> >> >> > one man's playlist is another man's queue. and vice-versa.
> >> >> I think the issue here isn't whether something is called a queue
> >> >> or
> >> >> a
> >> >> playlist, but rather: It seems mostly everyone here wants to be
> >> >> able
> >> >> to select a track and have it play, rather than have to go
> >> >> through
> >> >> the
> >> >> hassle of having to build a playlist then as a separate action,
> >> >> go
> >> >> play the playlist, even just for a single track. Thay also want
> >> >> to
> >> >> arrange and browse their music as files/folders already on the
> >> >> drive,
> >> >> not an artificial list order made by the player.
> >> >
> >> > Speak for yourself,
> >>
> >> I rest my case... (friendly jab, I'll buy you a beer)
> >>
> >> context for my thinking on how MythMusic should work as I sent
> >> previously: I've been thinking about the interface for MythMusic
> >> for
> >> about 4years, during which time I've lived with 9 different people
> >> (we
> >> have a 5 bedroom apt), and our friends, who have all used our
> >> apt-wide
> >> MythTV setup. during that time I've been able to follow the music
> >> listening habits of all these people, including what they are used
> >> to
> >> using on their laptops, and how they all interface with MythMusic,
> >> as
> >> well as how they have asked me to help organize their music on our
> >> fileserver for their use in MythMusic. My point is, I haven't read
> >> anything on this list as far as preferred use is concerned that I
> >> have
> >> not encountered from my sample group. There are a few distinct
> >> methods
> >> people have for how they listen and mentally organize their music.
> >> What I posted previously in this thread is what I've found to be
> >> the
> >> method that would cover the essential way people think in terms of
> >> music playback given a fixed database and screen. Granted, this
> >> method
> >> works best for those with an HDTV, and does require some "fancy"
> >> GUI
> >> effects, but it can be done, and I think would provide an excellent
> >> interface for music playback overall.
> >>
> >>
> >> > I never select a single track to play -- I have
> >> > no interest in selecting song after song after song. While I have
> >> > an extensive (over 150 Gigs) of music in a somewhat order folder
> >> > format
> >> > - I don't listen to my music that way. I tend to select a genre
> >> > (yes,
> >> > a total pain to organize) and listen to it. I may create unique
> >> > playlist
> >> > for future listening. I don't tend to listen to a full album and
> >> > I
> >> > don't tend to listen to a single artist, only. You shouldn't
> >> > assume
> >> > that the vocal members of the group represent the majority of the
> >> > group.
> >>
> >> I'd be interested to know how you organize your music currently in
> >> MythMusic.
> >
> > I don't actually organize my music using mythmusic... The only thing
> > I
> > do for customizing my listening options is to create "smart
> > playlist".
> > BTW: smart playlist don't have to be based on local media --
> > they just have to be access to the media (contrary to your
> > suggestion
> > -- "Smart Playlists" - smart playlists(for only local media)).
> 
> Sorry, yes, I worded my question incorrectly (at least for the
> information I'm looking for from you)...
> I'd be interested to know how you organize your music currently FOR
> USE IN MythMusic?
> I agree, organizing *in* MythMusic would make me rip my hair out.
> 
> Does MythMusic currently have "smart" playlists? (I've never really
> used that feature so I don't know)
> If it does, my comments about it in my previous email would not
> reference in any way how they are currently done, mostly because I
> don't know that so I don't want to tie myself to the current paradigm.
> 

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic#Smart_Playlist

> 
> 
> > In fact,
> > I don't even really doing that. If I was programming it - which I'm
> > not,
> > I don't want to do any organizing of my media on my TV/HDTV. I
> > wouldn't be
> > ripping media from that interface and I wouldn't be tagging my music
> > from
> > that interface (with one exception -- ratings). I expect to use my
> > remote
> > for all my interfacing when I am sitting vegging out on my
> > couch.
> 
> I completely agree. I could see how, in the future, abilities to let
> me do some of that could exist, it would be very specifically tailored
> to one method of doing so and so not necessarily universal. Also much
> more labor intensive than just doing it on a separate desktop
> application.
> 
> If a form of accurate lossless ripping (ie EAC, RubyRipper, XLD) were
> available I wouldn't be opposed to using it for that, but I'd still
> end up tagging and such on a desktop.
> 
> I would also like to be able to create playlists and such for
> MythMusic from either a MythWeb interface or a standalone app that
> interfaces correctly.
> 
> > But I do want options on how I play my music... So, I would
> > do all those types of things sitting at my desk via a website. But
> > that's just me. Presently the web interface isn't up to that type of
> > thing, so I do most of my managing of my media via MediaMonkey (yes,
> > I have to start a VM with WinXP so I can fix up my media).
> 
> Have you tried Jaikoz? for how I do my music organizing and tagging
> I've found it fits my needs perfectly. It has some powerful features
> too beyond being Java so cross platform. It's not free though, but
> updates are and I've found it has been worth every penny.
> 
> 
> 
> >>
> >> Did you read my post earlier in this thread as to my interface
> >> idea?
> > Sorry,
> >
> > No I hadn't. So I went back and took a look at what you suggested...
> > This screen
> >
> > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9ynZ1LviUi0/S1RV-OGG-MI/AAAAAAAAB5w/O9NGKiUW5ns/s1600/winamp+media+fixed.JPG
> >
> > is (in my opinion) way, way too busy. To get all that stuff on the
> > screen - smaller fonts are going to be
> > needed, which means it's going to be hard to read and/or all the
> > info I would be looking for will be cut off.
> > For example, the present themes (all that I have tried) cut off the
> > total time for a song, specially recordings
> > that last over an hour.
> >
> > All the options you suggested are cool -- just not on a single
> > screen. A pop up menu with ability to select
> > which mode you want to find your music by is the way I would go (if
> > I was coding it).
> 
> I agree in that the screenshot is too busy for MythMusic directly,
> what I am aiming for is the workflow concept of how that works. I also
> think it may be too much for a standard definition TV regardless, that
> said, I've never used MythTV on a standard tv and I can't imagine the
> current interface would work well on it either.
> 

I'm sorry,

I don't follow about the idea of a "workflow", maybe I missed your point 
with the very busy image :}

> I have ideas for how to make that workflow work in MythMusic on an
> HDTV by using some "fancy" GUI features while still being easy to read
> and easily managed using the minimum standard MythTV remote buttons.
> 
> What I'm interested in is if, using that workflow concept, it would
> work for your preferences in how you "search"/find/look for your music
> (ie real-time filtering by genre/artist/album/year/etc)? imagine that
> within each filter section the ability to choose one filter or
> multiple is easily possible (since I know that will come up as an
> issue).
> 
> 
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >> As to the a) or b) scenario: Personally I'd feel that if you
> >> >> select
> >> >> an
> >> >> album (i.e. folder containing mp3s) you should get to hear all
> >> >> the
> >> >> tracks in it. If you select a single mp3 file then it should
> >> >> only
> >> >> play
> >> >> that one.
> >>
> >> I agree with this, but I would also say that if I am viewing an
> >> album
> >> I may want to start half way through and play the rest.
> >> I think a better option would be a "single track" mode to playback.
> >> Right now there is a Repeat None/Repeat All mode, just add "Single
> >> Track" to this playback mode list.
> >>
> >>
> >> >> If you select an existing playlist file then you get to hear the
> >> >> playlist. Obviously this implies building a playlist should
> >> >> therefore
> >> >> save a file (ideally in a portable format like .m3u), so you can
> >> >> do
> >> >> it
> >> >> once and re-use the same playlist later, even if you make/use
> >> >> another
> >> >> playlist meantime.
> >> >
> >> > While I have long wanted a means to play .m3u files -- I am
> >> > totally
> >> > down
> >> > with a means to import the playlist into the database and playing
> >> > it
> >> > from there. While exporting a playlist maybe a nice feature, if
> >> > the
> >> > developers
> >> > don't see fit to add that feature -- a table dump is pretty
> >> > straight
> >> > forward.
> >> > You could probably do that today.
> >>
> >> the problem I see with m3u files directly is that they would have
> >> to
> >> be created in such a fashion as to work with how the database finds
> >> the files. This would obviously then be best created through
> >> MythMusic
> >> or a compatible system for creating them (such as through MythWeb
> >> in
> >> some fashion).
> >
> > Actually, creating a unique playlist (that would be difficult via a
> > smart playlist) would simply be a list of songs. Then mythmusic
> > would
> > search it's database for those songs and create a new playlist.
> > Options
> > for tweaking mismatches would be needed. But it should be simple in
> > concept. The software is designed around the database -- and things
> > that take away from that focus should really be low on the priority
> > totem pole.
> 
> ah, I see, so not necessarily a direct import, but sort of a search
> and match import with user correction!
> I could definitely see that as a neat feature to have eventually.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
> --
> Steve
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