[mythtv-users] cutlist editing hangs frontend

[Johan]

Op 14-11-10 09:20, Craig Sanders schreef:
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 08:01:20AM +0100, Johan wrote:
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>> Op 14-11-10 01:30, Craig Sanders schreef:
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>>> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:09:18PM -0700, E. Westbrook wrote:
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>>>> Thanks guys.  Don't let the haters get you down.
>>>>          
>>> making a comment that isn't glowingly positive does NOT make someone a
>>> "hater".
>>>
>>> i love mythtv. that is not at all incompatible with the ability to spot
>>> that some things are imperfect, nor is it incompatible with the desire
>>> to offer constructive feedback.
>>>
>>>        
>> Allow me a few remarks.
>>
>> 1. Craig, don't hijack threads to air your opinion!
>>      
> you're entitled to your own opinion on the matter, but i just don't see
> it as hijacking the thread. the thread was about a bug with the new
> editor. my reply started off being directly connected to that bug,
Yep, one line to be exact.
> i expect, though, that i'd have gotten the opposite point if i had
> started a new thread - "don't blow in out of nowhere and start
> attacking!".
>
>    
hence you use this thread as a nice anchor for your comments.
>> 2. Talking to the developers in person is not like complaining about
>> MS, you are likely to get a stronger reaction.
>>      
> huh?  does that make any sense at all?
>
>    
>> You could have asked why the changes were made. Your initial comments
>> were not constructive.
>>      
> i wrote a list of my observations.
>    
starting of with "now if only the new cutlist editor wasn't clumsy and 
awkward comparedto the 0.23 version"
> the developer of the new editor did post a URL to the doc page for
> the it, which i appreciated. unfortunately, he also decided to view
> the posting of a simple list as a personal insult. two others decided
> that this was a great opportunity to demonstrate their 'loyalty' (one
> politely and reasonably, one aggressively). you make the third.
>    
Well, that shows something doesn't it?
> so, tell me Mr Expert Diplomat, how exactly do you write a list of
> problematic changes seen in a new version *without actually listing the
> changes for fear of offending someone*?
>    
The way most people do on this list, just read the list and you might 
find some hints. (and how I do this as change manager in a large 
company, asking why, so I understand their rationale before I criticize)

> especially when, as has been demonstrated on numerous occasions over the
> years on this list, *ANY* comment that's even the slightest bit negative
> *WILL*, no matter how it is worded, inevitably be attacked as if it's
> the most heinous, disgusting and abusive thing anyone has ever written.
> dissent is forbidden. drink the cool-aid and be happy.
>
> it can't be done.
>
> leaving exactly two choices:
>
> 1. don't say anything for fear of someone taking offense, and never see
> the problems that concern you get fixed (or explained if there's a good
> reason for them).
>
> 2. post anyway and risk upsetting a fragile ego or two.
>
> i chose the latter.
>    
So did you get any positive result now?
>    
>> 3. if you don't like the keys, there might be a way to re-assign keys
>>      
> i already mentioned that i couldn't find any way to do that. you
> obviously didn't actually read what i wrote (as is obvious from you
> bogus statement that 'your initial comments were not constructive').
>    


You obviously did not know what you were writing at the time.

when using a keyboard, Enter no longer works to add/delete/move a
    cutpoint. instead, you have to press M instead and then navigate
    a multi-level menu.


Enter will add and delete cutpoints.

Cutlist editing works fine, however not in the way you like it anymore.
You acknowledged that you could live with this behaviour.


>
>    
>> 3. A lot of people spend a lot of time to make this product what it
>> is, the top PVR/media center application.
>>     Be grateful for what they deliver.
>>      
>
> BTW, i develop FOSS software myself, and have also contributed code,
> patches, bug reports and documentation to numerous projects (including
> one utterly trivial patch to mythweb). and i've been a debian developer
> for about 15 years. being a bit thick-skinned and not having a fragile
> ego is essential, as bug reports tend to be written as brief, factual
> summaries (the good ones are, anyway). and mostly, bug reports etc by
> their nature inevitably focus on the negative and tend to be written by
> people who have just been bitten by the bug/change, and are affected
> enough by it to bother writing.
>
>    
You did not provide a bug report. You proved a list of things you, 
personally are unhappy with.
> MythTV is the *only* FOSS community i've seen that is so hypersensitive
> and thin-skinned. not even the gnome project comes close to the
> thin-skin seen here (and they're more arrogant and dismissive than
> defensively thin-skinned, anyway).
>
> really guys - users&  devs - try to understand that someone providing
> feedback and criticism is NOT attacking the project or the people behind
> it. such criticism is almost exclusively motivated by a desire to help
> and improve things.
>
> craig
>
>    
Your choice of words show me that you are a well educated person, who is 
capable of expressing himself perfectly and diplomatically if need be. 
You should have known that your comments would not be well received in 
the manner they were written in, specially taken in to consideration 
that you have been reading this list for a long time.