[mythtv-users] Getting a correct lineup for DishNetwork

Marc Chamberlin marc at marcchamberlin.com
Fri May 14 20:53:53 UTC 2010

On 5/14/2010 8:24 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 05/14/2010 12:52 AM, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
>> I am not getting a complete lineup of all the channels that I should 
>> be. I have a subscription to SchedulesDirect and it appears that I 
>> have to subscribe to two separate lineups, one for DishNetwork 
>> Satellite and the other for Local Broadcast Listings. (Correct me if 
>> I am wrong on this)
> I'm guessing you just need to select the right provider.  One of the 
> providers should be Dish Network including locals.  You've selected 
> the wrong one.
>> The lineup report for DishNetwork shows channel numbers starting at 
>> channel 72 and the lineup report for my Local Broadcast Listings 
>> start with channel 2 and end with channel 58. I am only getting the 
>> lineup for DishNetwork Satellite (starting at channel 72) and just 
>> channel 2 though it is mislabeled and does NOT represent my local 
>> channel 2 station.
> That would be fixed by selecting the proper provider at Schedules 
> Direct.  Note, also, that Dish has "real" channel numbers for the 
> locals (like 8543 or whatever) /and/, when you've selected the Dish + 
> locals, you'll get "aliases" at the low channel numbers.  So you can 
> choose to use either the low-numbered ones or the high-numbered ones.
>> Mythtvsetup is awfully poorly documented so I probably am not doing 
>> something right to set it up, so as to retrieve both of these lineups 
>> correctly. In fact I am only retrieving the lineup for the 
>> DishNetwork Satellite and none of the channels from the Local 
>> Broadcast Listings is showing up. I think I setup the Video Source 
>> configuration dialog properly, choosing North America 
>> (SchedulesDirect.org)(Internal) for my Listings grabber and entered 
>> my user ID and Password for SchedulesDirect. And I clicked on 
>> Retrieve Lineups which immediate pops up a dialog box saying it is 
>> Fetching lineups from Schedules Direct... and instantly shows I am 
>> 50% complete! After a few minutes the dialog box simply disappears 
>> giving no hint as to whether it was successful or not.
> Ken is correct.  You can only have one lineup per video source.
>> The info in the Data Direct Lineup: changes to show "Local Broadcast 
>> Listings-LocalBroadcast-98671-PC:98671"  and if I navigate to it, and 
>> click on the right arrow it also shows "DISH 
>> Network-Satellite-98671-ECHOST. So to my untrained eyes it appears as 
>> if both of my lineups were retrieved ok... I got no idea whether 
>> leaving this set, to one or the other lineups, affects anything. But 
>> I have noted that this setting is not persistent (even if I do not 
>> exit Mythtvsetup!) and the next time I open the Video Source Setup 
>> dialog it will have reverted back to simply ECHOST, whatever that 
>> means....
> That's a display-only bug.  It actually works properly, so just have 
> faith.
> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6637 (note the "it is saved in the 
> database correctly" part)
>> I have no clue as to what the checkbox for "Perform EIT Scan" does so 
>> I leave it unchecked as I found it. Nor do I have any idea what the 
>> Channel frequency table: setting does, so leave it set to default.
> Should be unchecked since you're using a /much/ better-quality 
> listings provider--Schedules Direct.
>> (BTW navigation in the Video source setup dialog is funky. When I 
>> reach the Channel frequency table it seems to end the ability to 
>> advance the cursor from there and not allow the cursor to advance to 
>> any other buttons or fields unless you reverse the direction you came 
>> from. Normally one would expect the cursor to simply advance through 
>> all the buttons and fields then wrap around and start over...)
> Again, see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6637#comment:1
>> In the Connect source to input dialog I set up my Video source to 
>> DishNetwork which I had define. I do have a script I am using for the 
>> External channel change command which is working. I also have to 
>> preset my Hauppauge 350 tuner to channel 62 (which is the channel the 
>> DishNetwork settop box outputs the NTSC signal on, and I have no 
>> freaking understanding why they did not choose channel 3 or 4 like 
>> every VCR and DVD and settop boxes have done for years now!!!) In my 
>> context I do not know or comprehend what the buttons "Scan for 
>> channels" or "Fetch channels from listings source" would do or 
>> whether I should use them. "Scan for channels" seems outright weird 
>> and IMHO I should think it should be inactivated, since I am 
>> presetting my tuner to a fixed channel. I did click on the "Fetch 
>> channels from listings source" and it seems happy to do so, though it 
>> again gives no feedback on whether it was successful or not.
>> There is one other setting in this dialog that puzzles me, Starting 
>> channel: In my mind I am guessing that this should be channel 2 but 
>> every time I set it, then come back to the dialog later I find it set 
>> to some weird random number. There is a comment stating this is the 
>> "Starting LiveTV channel. This is updated on every successful channel 
>> change." So 'OK....' I am lost and confused! What is the purpose of 
>> this field? Why should I set it if it is going to be automatically 
>> set to some other value?
> It will likely be removed for exactly that reason.
>> So my first hiccup to solve is how do I get a complete channel lineup 
>> configured in MythTV?  My second hiccup concerns the fact that when I 
>> looked at the lineup I got for DISH Network-Satellite, I noted upon 
>> close examination that it does not correspond 100% with the actual 
>> channels I receive through my settop box.
> Both of those will involve redoing your lineup at Schedules 
> Direct--you need to delete the Dish one and redo it with the right 
> provider (Dish + locals).
>> There are a few extra channels and a few missing ones, but it appears 
>> to be about 90% correct. I asked support at DishNetwork about the 
>> difference, they pointed me to a website at 
>> http://tvlistings.zap2it.com where their internet listings are 
>> derived from. I noticed also that SchedulesDirect has references to 
>> Zap2It as well and indeed the listing on the Zap2it site is only 
>> about 90% correct also. So it appears that the problem resides 
>> between DishNetwork and Zap2It. Has anyone else noticed this 
>> discrepancy and figured out a way to solve it?
>> Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions offered... I know I am 
>> getting close to having this working, hopefully only a few more 
>> hiccups and I will be there.. ;-)
> Fix the lineup and the MythTV stuff will follow suit.
> Mike

Thanks Mike for your replies..  OK I guess this is going to have to be 
done in small baby steps it seems... I think I figured out the correct 
lineup to use at SchedulesDirect, they kinda mislabeled it changing the 
name from DishNetwork to just Dish which is confusing. But the channels 
do appear to be close to what I actually get and include the locals.  So 
I again went through mythtvsetup and retrieved the linup and refetched 
the channels from the listing source. I also went into the Channel 
Editor and told it to download the icons, which it did a fair job of 
doing. After exiting mythtvsetup I reran mythfilldatabase. Up to this 
point everything seems to have worked ok....

Upon restarting mythfrontend, I selected Watch TV, brought up the 
onscreen menu and selected Program Guide. And hit another hiccup! It 
took quite a few seconds before the Program Guide would even display, 
and the responses to keyboard input is extremely slow! Anywhere from 5 
to 30 seconds it seems most of the time, with occasional responses as 
long as 2 or 3 minutes! Also I am now seeing the channels for my local 
stations, but "Unknown (Unknown)" is shown for all the local program 
listings. And none of the icons are showing up as I would have expected. 
(Note: responsiveness outside of the Program Guide seems to be fine, 
from what limited testing I have done so far...)

Rebooting, restarting the mythbackend, and mythfrontend does not fix 
this problem.  Anyone got any idea as to what is wrong? I looked at top 
and cannot see any process chewing up the processor usage either.


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