[mythtv-users] MythCloud, think bigger think outside the box

belcampo belcampo at zonnet.nl
Tue Nov 24 10:42:55 UTC 2009

Thomas Lloyd wrote:
> Here are replies to all the feedback you guys have given:
> @Brian Wood
>> The six-hour limit makes it far less useful IMHO, but I can certainly 
>> understand that they have limited resources. 
> On the Google discussion group http://groups.google.com/group/myth-cloud
> I have talked about how to implement a cloud, this was just an example
> of a free test bed for anyone who wanted a sneak peak at cloud computing
> without paying Amazon. The idea was that we would go for a private cloud
> rather than public. 
> @memmott
> Thanks for the heads up on that i will go and have a nose about what was
> done in the past.
> @john at russo
> Thanks I have mailed you, the offer will be very well received if the
> project can go ahead, practically legally and everything else. Where
> there is a will there is a way.
> @beww at beww @ sonofzev at iinet @ jarpublic at gmail
> I have ideas that depending on your set-up, location and equipment
> different sites can run on different profiles adding their spare
> resources to the cloud. So you have lots of storage but not a lot of
> bandwidth to upload you could run the profile of an archive peer. If we
> get clever about how things work one could take one recorded file and
> transmit that to 100's of archive server all at the same time but only
> once. One recorded show could be processed by a hundred servers in
> different locations then the small chunks distrusted. A little bit of
> CPU time and a little bit of bandwidth but it cumulatively add up to
> large amounts.  
> Also the idea of storage is to have it split on the archive servers, one
> person only ever gets 30 secs or 10% of a file which is considered fair
> use. http://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairuse.phtml#fourfacotrs 
> Obviously these chucks will exist over lots of sites but no more than
> the legal amount per server. Like bit torrent but you only host a fair
> amount of it. This is an idea I am not a lawyer.
> Then if you want to watch it you pull it back together and hey presto if
> that content is illegal not for your country or anything then the user
> is breaking the law not the hosts. 
> I am not talking a group of ten servers but a group of 1000's allowing
> for bandwidth to be cleverly used based on geographical location etc
> etc. So if one host decides to use his server for a live video cast and
> his bandwidth drops off from the cloud no big deal.
> The file sharing becomes nothing more than a intelligent p2p system.
> Possibility of geographical location limits to follow content law. A bit
> like BBC iPlayer and Hulu. 
> This is where the law gets fuzzy if your not storing the whole show,
> take youtube for example. Or the data is not in a usable state unless
> whole, there might be a way around it?
> @myself
> I just think of all the content that is being show and how if i had a
> nice big server room with enough storage and capture devices that I
> could record it all on and then share it with other people legally of
> course. How that for want of having a system of place it is all
> possible. 
> I am not suggesting we make an illegal TV sharing service but more a
> user run, on-demand internet service. Myth being the content provider
> then numerous clients could access the content on-line using the storage
> network. I only mentioned the could as it is a shame that 100 users may
> record the same show then process it and that could be done more
> efficiently if there was some co-ordination. Also more content could be
> made available if there was some sort of mass effort to capture it and
> store it. 
> Thinking bigger than we have, if you had a teraflop of processing power
> could you do top video processing on shows at some new quality not yet
> implemented. I am not a video encoding expert but I would be interested
> to hear from any that are. 
> Tom   
> We already have our own song :D
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btlEeQ1hX_c
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At http://www.onlinetvrecorder.com they are doing this in a way you are 
thinking of, already for many years. Not very user-friendly, but one can 
record download and then local-play the content.
If it would be more user-friendly and playable from their storage 
instead of downloading it could be rather attractive.

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