[mythtv-users] Ubuntu Edgy -> Feisty upgrade report

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Wed, 2007-02-05 at 05:32 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
> 
> We have a total difference of philosophy here.

Actually we probably don't.

> A lot of people run Linux in order to learn it, and Unix in general.

Sure.

> One
> of the most basic things to learn is how to administer from the CLI,
> because if all you do is use the "tools" you will wind up always using
> them, and never "understand" what they are doing.

Right.  The key here is "understand".  Understand what you are doing
before you actually do it, and if you don't take that time, then caveat
emptor.  Don't whine when something you did causes breakage.  If you
need to have something stable, then don't use that as your sandbox.

> So, take an extremely simple case of somebody wanting to add a hard
> drive and then export it via NFS.
> 
> If he's a good little admin he will RTFM in order to learn how to do
> this the "proper" way, from the CLI, so he will learn and understand.

Right.  And he'd have done in a way that upgrades would not break
things.  To be more to the point, if he were adding a hard drive and
wanted to add it to /etc/fstab then he would have used UUIDs rather
than /dev/hd* and never ended up complaining about the /dev/hd->/dev/sd
issue.

> If
> he just wanted to use "tools" he'd be using Windows.

Or he'd be using them to understand what they are doing.

> The problems is that now all the "Ms" he is trying to RTF are wrong. It
> might be months or years before even some of them are brought up to date.

So again, we should hold up progress until all of the Ms are up to date
with the change that is going to be made?  Get real.  For lots of doc.,
the only thing that makes them update is that the change has happened.
10 years warning would not be enough to have it updated when the change
happens.

I'm pretty much done with this thread.  You seem to be hell bent on
halting progress so that some documentation is not out of date and I
think that is absolutely insane.  Please go back to using 2.4 where
these kinds of changes don't happen.

b.

-- 
My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server.

Brian J. Murrell
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