[mythtv-users] commercial flagging idea
- commercial"fingerprinting"
Mario Limonciello
mario.mailing at gmail.com
Wed Apr 13 17:13:33 UTC 2005
Mike Benoit wrote:
>Hi there,
>
> I've been interested in this topic for quite some time now. I've even
>posted to the list regarding something very similar a few months back,
>however it was met with mixed results.
>
>I'm the author of MythRecommend
>(http://ipso.snappymail.ca:8080/mythrecommend/) which has been around
>for a fair amount of time now, and out of the 120 unique people who use
>it, they record 2275 unique programs in total. The top 345 shows are
>watched by over half of the people.
>
>So I think a system where commercial cut lists could be exchanged
>seamlessly would be a huge help.
>
>I'm willing to volunteer my time to work on a centralized repository
>similar to what MythRecommend has that can handle commercial cut lists.
>Thats the easy part though, the hard part is getting Myth to do its
>part.
>
>
>Here is a snippet of the most popular shows, and how many unique clients
>record them.
>
> title | count
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------
> The Simpsons | 67
> The Daily Show With Jon Stewart | 48
> Futurama | 41
> MythBusters | 39
> Desperate Housewives | 36
> CSI: Crime Scene Investigation | 34
> Scrubs | 34
> South Park | 31
> Stargate SG-1 | 31
> Star Trek: Enterprise | 30
> Family Guy | 30
> Lost | 29
> CSI: NY | 26
> Stargate Atlantis | 26
> The Apprentice | 25
> CSI: Miami | 24
> Aqua Teen Hungerforce | 23
> Malcolm in the Middle | 22
> Arrested Development | 21
> ER | 21
> Law & Order: Special Victims Unit | 20
> 24 | 19
> Law & Order | 19
> Extreme Makeover: Home Edition | 18
> Good Eats | 17
> Joey | 17
> The West Wing | 17
> Nova | 16
> Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law | 16
> Sealab 2021 | 16
> Everybody Loves Raymond | 15
> Frontline | 15
> King of the Hill | 15
> Battlestar Galactica | 15
> Will & Grace | 15
> That '70s Show | 15
> Sex and the City | 15
> Star Trek: Voyager | 14
> American Chopper | 14
> Friends | 14
> 60 Minutes | 14
> Star Trek: Deep Space Nine | 14
> Survivor: Vanuatu%2c Islands of Fire | 14
> Chappelle's Show | 13
> Law & Order: Criminal Intent | 13
> Father of the Pride | 13
> Star Trek: The Next Generation | 13
> Saturday Night Live | 13
> Dilbert | 12
> Nip/Tuck | 12
> Smallville | 12
> Two and a Half Men | 11
> The Venture Brothers | 11
> Iron Chef | 11
> The Outer Limits | 11
> Alias | 11
> The 4400 | 11
> Seinfeld | 11
> Scrapheap Challenge | 11
> The King of Queens | 11
> Monk | 11
> The Amazing Race 6 | 10
> The Shield | 10
> The O.C. | 10
> Gilmore Girls | 10
> Conspiracy? | 10
> Drawn Together | 10
> Modern Marvels | 9
> Reno 911! | 9
> NYPD Blue | 9
> Medium | 9
> Coupling | 9
> The Oblongs | 9
> Law & Order: Trial by Jury | 9
> Without a Trace | 9
> Punk'd | 9
> House | 9
> Meet the Press | 9
> Home Movies | 9
> Charmed | 9
>
>
>
>On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 14:04 -0400, Preston Crow wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 13:31, Risto Treksler wrote:
>>
>>
>>>the obvious problems with fingerprinting is that
>>>- it can't work for newly aired shows and
>>>
>>>
>>True.
>>
>>
>>
>>>- it relies on someone not poisoning the database
>>> (much like p2p networks have been poisoned with fakes)
>>>
>>>
>>False. There are several work-arounds for this, including digital
>>signatures of published fingerprints (using a reputation system) and
>>sanity-checking based on existing algorithms. A reputation system would
>>be desirable anyway, as some people would do a better job of getting
>>seamless cuts.
>>
>>
>>
>>>- it couldn't hope to cover nearly enough shows to be useful
>>> (or am i being naive)
>>>
>>>
>>False. You're being naive. If it just gets popular prime time network
>>shows, that's enough to cover probably 70% or more of the shows people
>>really care about.
>>
>>--PC
>>
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Perhaps a start here is maybe to implement mythrecommend into myth
itself, so it doesnt need to be ran as a standalone script, but instead
can be an option that is disabled by default inside the general settings
option. I could forsee that as working, however Issac will probably
want the data to be going to a www server that is being ran somewhere on
his end, instead of yours. Mythrecommend will also need to start
gathering more data to figure out where its feasible to test out a
system like this. If you are to implement it for a test run, gather zip
codes for zap2it data, and in a saturated area where plenty of people
are willing to submit their data and hopefully have a dev near by can
try to get this all rolling then.
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