[mythtv-users] New Australian XMLTV grabber

[David Whyte]

I agree.  Besides, how cool would it be *if* something was done about
it after a few OSS users bring up the point when MS couldn't do crap!

I still think it would be good if we could get a lawyer to tell us
where we stand and whether we have a case.


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:49:26 +1100, Ben de Luca <bend at bedel.mine.nu> wrote:
> The ACCC is set up to provide that legal advice for us as australians.
> But the ACCC is unlikely to do any thing even if it has the power to do
> so for just one person. 600 people is a lot different.
> 
> The ACCC is not the authority in the matter and makes its powers felt
> through the courts.
> 
> I think if we continue to let it go there will be a time when d1 and
> other sites are forced to stop distributing there information. Please
> remember that this thread is about another scraper that is violating
> the terms of service of the sites you are scraping from. Some thing
> that is more than likely to cause some one lots of trouble in future,
> especially as the popularity of the system grows.
> 
> sticking our head in the sand doesn't seem to have worked so far
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2004, at 6:15 PM, Phill Edwards wrote:
> 
> > My 2c worth...
> >
> > I think the group should get some legal advice from (hopefully)
> > someone in the group who's a lawyer. The danger of going to the ACCC
> > and formalising the whole thing is that if you lose then we could all
> > be denied access to any sort of program info at all and could be held
> > legally liable for any breach. As long as nobody's getting hurt,
> > sometimes it's best just to go with the flow and let parties turn
> > blind eyes occasionally.
> >
> > After all, how many PVR users are there in Australia? I doubt that
> > it's very many at the moment as most people don't have the technical
> > knowledge to do it. If Microsoft failed with all of their powers of
> > persuasion (and partnership with Channel 9, remember) then do we
> > really think we can succeed?
> >
> > At the moment I would say most of us are getting program info in a
> > format that works and which is good enough for what we need for most
> > of the time. For example, do we really need full program descriptions;
> > can we really not live with some info missing occasionally? Remember
> > that this thread began when d1.com.au had some glitches and those seem
> > to have been mostly resolved now, just a few days later. Why not leave
> > it there for now and not act unless it looks like things are going to
> > get well and truly broken?
> >
> > PS - what's the status of the tv_grab_au interface to OzTiVo?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Phill
> >
> >> From: Ben de Luca <bend at bedel.mine.nu>
> >> Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
> >> To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] New Australian XMLTV grabber
> >> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:46:32 +1100
> >>
> >> This is from The ACCC website,
> >> http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/6095/fromItemId/
> >> 3669 in regards to refusal to deal.
> >>
> >> I would consider that the tv stations are instituting a primary
> >> boycott
> >>
> >> from the acc webpage
> >>
> >> Primary boycotts
> >> These are agreements between two or more competitors to refuse to
> >> deal, or limit dealings with another supplier or particular customer,
> >> or a class of competitor or customer. They are illegal.
> >>
> >> has any one else pursued the matter in this regard? I intend to
> >> contact the tv stations on be half of my business asking for them to
> >> provide me data so I can resell it to mythtv/tivo users.
> >>
> >> If they refuse or fail plan to contact the ACCC, and ask them to
> >> investigate.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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