[mythtv] [mythtv-commits] Ticket #1219: LiveTV takes a while to start, and video jerks forwards

Isaac Richards ijr at case.edu
Mon Feb 6 07:21:58 UTC 2006

On Monday 06 February 2006 01:52, Dag Nygren wrote:
> > On Monday 06 February 2006 01:32, Dag Nygren wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 05 February 2006 16:40, Dag Nygren wrote:
> > > > > Running 8871 now for some hours and have two comments:
> > > > > 1. A channel change in LiveTV takes 10-20 seconds now; Getting
> > > > >   a lot of prebuffering where there were practically none before.
> > > >
> > > > Still around a second and a half for me.
> > >
> > > I will be back with logs later.
> >
> > I'm getting kind of tired of people who think that all they have to do is
> > run the app and paste the logs into trac and that that's going to help
> > anything. Is _noone_ capable of doing any sort of debugging without
> > having someone holding their hand through the process?
> And I am getting tired of people that don't understand that this
> is a way to make MythTV better. All the ones pasting logs in trac
> including me are trying to help. 

Could have fooled me.  Not one person did anything meaningful to fix the 
majority of the live-tv switch problem other than Daniel.  He added some 
extra debugging in a few places - from that, it became apparent what the 
problem was.

Look at #942, and count the various attachments and badly pasted in runs.  Not 
a single one of them helped fix the issue.  All they did was illustrate that 
the problem did exist.

Getting multiple sets of logs from multiple people showing the same problem 
doesn't help anything, and wastes developer time going through multi-thousand 
line files to see if there's _anything_ different.  Getting a bunch of 'me 
too' posts doesn't help anything, either, especially when half those 'me too' 
posts are for a different problem.  Wading through all that crap just wastes 
an enormous amount of time.

> I have been debugging and submitting 
> patches, not very big ones admittedly, but it takes quite some time
> to get into the program. I am no expert of video decoding even
> if I do know my way around programming.
> First you brush off any report with a comment: No logs attached,
> then you don't want any logs at all.

Getting logs are only the first step.  How is it a 'brush off' to request them 
if they weren't provided, or any other necessary information?

> What is wrong with you, don't you have any social skills?

I'd rather have people at least _try_ to use their brain when reporting a 
problem.  I used to be able to get better information out of people using the 
development version, at least most of the time.

For your problem - you have a relatively small range of revisions in which 
channel changes got slower, no?  And in that range, the amount of code 
changes is _tiny_.  How hard do you think it would be to find out exactly 
what change, and what part of that change, caused it to do that?  Don't you 
think that would be ever so slightly more useful to me than just running the 
program and pasting the logs?  Sure, it'd take a little effort on your part, 
but it would get the problem fixed.  Ah well, I suppose that's just wishful 


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