[mythtv] Live-TV & Recording nightmare

[Stuart Morgan]

On Tuesday 22 Nov 2005 21:52, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> I'll leave this for someone else.  It sounds like--since it only
> recorded the first 45 minutes of the 2-hour show--even though you pushed
> record during LiveTV it wasn't actually recording, so when you left
> LiveTV (or when you changed channel) at the 45-minute point, you stopped
> recording it.  Does that sound like what happened (leaving LiveTV or
> changing channels at the 45-minute point)?

I honestly can't be sure. I thought I left after only watching 5 minutes and 
it *seemed* to still be recording when I then switched to the Watch 
Recordings screen. I can do some experimenting tomorrow so there is more 
information to work with.

> I completely agree.  However, there is no delete and re-record.  There 
> is a delete and *allow* re-record...

Aha .. well I had overlooked that. Probably because I've always used *allow 
re-record* on recordings with "Any time/Any Channel" rules. Allow re-record 
implies that you want it re-recorded thus actively creating a schedule to 
rerecord would not be unexpected behaviour.

> So, it should create a rule for you.  What recording profile?  LiveTV,
> the profile it used for the one you just deleted?  Is that really what
> you want?

Well the default profile seems sensible - with the option to change.

> What type of recording rule?  A find once, a find on this channel, a
> record all on any channel, a record all on this channel, a daily or
> weekly timeslot...  If we do a find once (because that's probably close
> enough to the LiveTV single recording), Myth may record a different
> episode of a series than the one you just deleted--which would result in
> a flurry of "it doesn't work" e-mails.

Find once with subtitle/description information wouldn't record the wrong 
episode.

> What priority?  The LiveTV recording you just deleted was very
> high-priority (higher than the highest priority).  What recording
> group?  What duplicate check method?  What start-early and end-late
> settings? What ...

Again defaults.

You can always modify recording schedules later or even popup a scheduling 
dialogue when a user requests a re-record on a show  (assuming that show 
isn't covered by a pre-existing schedule such as an "Any time/channel").

<snip>
> So, in summary, there are a lot more issues involved with just making a
> new recording rule because I said, "re-record" than you may have
> considered.  That's why it's "delete and allow re-record" instead of
> "delete and re-record"--re-recording the show is allowed, so it will be
> re-recorded /when/ you decide to create a recording rule for it.

Not so many issues. If you want to re-record something it is safe to assume 
that means a find once on any channel rule. If a unique identifier such as 
subtitle or description is not available then it will lead to some mistakes 
but nothing that isn't already seen with everyday scheduling.

> That being said, it's possible that some translations may not be this
> "grammatically precise," and MythWeb definitely says, "Delete +
> Rerecord", but it's the same functionality just with an "abbreviated"
> wording due to space constraints.

Even though the current wording is grammatically precise, it is not 
user-friendly. You would only use "allow re-record" on recordings you wanted 
re-recording - so not creating that new schedule rule there and then is 
illogical.
-- 
Stuart Morgan