[mythtv-users] mythfilldatabase

[Barry Martin]

Hi Klaus!

> My native language is german, but I live in France since a long time.

OK -- thanks for that explanation  -- makes things a little clearer to 
me.  Your English is good -- I will sometimes add in another word to 
better define a word or phrase to attempt to avoid confusion.


> So if I understand you well, regarding live tv should be possible even if
> there is a problem with mythfilldatabase ?
>
> In this case I will first try to get live tv working, and than recording.

I believe yes: one should not need to have mythfilldatabase working in 
order to have Live TV working.  Information on the Live TV programme 
will be missing: the summary of the show.  ...Old tagline joke:  "7:30 
Bewitched.  Tabitha gets carsick and turns Darrin into a barf bag".  
Sorry - couldn't resist!

Not sure if getting Live TV to work first is the way to go.  Isn't 
necessarily wrong, just backwards to my way of using MythTV.  OTOH (on 
the other hand) if Live TV works you know your tuners are working and so 
when you do work on the mythfilldatabase portion of the project you know 
you are receiving the TV signal.


> http://www.epgdata.com/  is commercial and this should not be necessary. I also
> have a dreambox and it works without any commercial service. (I want to
> replace the dreambox by mythtv because the box is buggy).
>
> I tried a channel scan with a free grabber for Europe, but the result is the
> same: the scan works, I get a liste of hundreds of channels, but I cannot
> regard any.

It looks like EPGData.com is the equivalent of SchedulesDirect here in 
the U.S. -- 17.95 Euro, specifically mentions MythTV.  The 'Data 
Coverage' tab lists start, end, etc. of the shows.  The 'List of 
Channels' displays numerous stations -- I have no idea if all are 
available off-the-air.  (I didn't see _TV Paprika_ listed!)

The 'free grabber' might also work.  EPGData says will list up to 14 
days of information; SchedulesDirect is similar.  My guess is the 
Dreambox obtains its scheduling data either from Dreambox (the company) 
itself or possibly OTA from the TV stations directly.  Here I'm getting 
DreamBox as learning software for mathematics.  U.S. vs. Europe stuff 
again.  I'm going to assume your DreamBox is similar to TiVo here.

It seems you are having a problem connecting (configuring) EPGData or 
the free grabber to your MythTV.  I don't know if this will lessen or 
increase the confusion but have you seen Curtis Gekak's Guide:

http://gedakc.users.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=pvr-install-mythbuntu1404


(Good Grief! Tried to make that smaller.  That's 'tiny' font size!! - I 
hate to see what 'large' is!!)  Yes, for version 14.04; no idea if a 
more current version (16.x, 17.x).  If for whatever reason you are 
unable to find/download it let me know and I will upload my copy to you 
(though has notes for my specific system embedded).   An /excellent/ 
guide!!  (Thank you, Curtis!!)


> I do not really understand if a grabber is necessary to watch tv. The french
> mythtv site recommands to choose no grabber in setup.
>
> My channel list is at
> http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_eu_epgdata/channel_ids
>
> When I choose "watch tv", nothing happens. When I try to record tv, I see the
> channel list, but impossible to watch or record any.

As I said above, I don't think a grabber is necessary to watch Live TV 
but will give give additional information.  Even without the grabber I 
think you should be able to do manual recording within MythTV ==> record 
from 1900 to 2000 on Channel 14, just like one did with a VCR.  Oh poo: 
that reminded me of something else but it should have been resolved 
(taken care of) when you did the MythTV Channel Scan step.  Here in the 
U.S. we use ATSC, Europe I believe uses PAL.  Its some sort of a format 
setting.  The other thing is here in the U.S. we 'change/alter' the 
channel numbers.  Locally KWQC (call sign) says it's Channel 6 but 
really is transmitting on UHF Channel 17.  When they were an analog 
(NTSC format) station they were on VHF Channel 6; with digital (ATSC 
format) they moved/got moved to UHF Channel 17 but because 'everybody' 
watches "Channel 6" instead of watching "KWQC".   ...Hope not too 
confusing.   Pretty sure the MythTV Channel Scan step takes care of 
this: mine did: makes the tuner 'look' at Ch. 17 but lets me think I'm 
looking at Ch. 6.1.



> I started mythfrontend in a shell and I have the error message
>
> "It appears that your backend may be misconfigured.  Check your backend logs
> to determine whether your inputs, lineups, channels, or storage configuration
> are reporting errors.  This issue is commonly caused by failing to complete
> all setup steps properly.  You may wish to review the documentation for
> mythtv-setup."
>
> I rebegan mythtv-setup step for step, I cannot see what is wrong.
>
> I shall review the documentation, but perhaps you have an idea about the
> mistake ?
>

<chuckle>  I have ideas, just don't know if I'm guessing right.   I 
would follow Curtis Gedak's guide (the big print link, above).  I would 
guess (because I haven't done it this way) is if your system is able to 
display Live TV then the configuration is correct and you just need to 
add a grabber, whether EIT from the stations themselves or the free one 
or EPGData.

...Curtis's guide: you want to pay extra attention to "Section  X. 
Configure MythTV Backend".    Might be able to do a bit of a shortcut by 
looking at '6. Channel Editor"  If no channels are displayed here 
definitely one of the previous steps is incorrect. (And my reference to 
Channel 6 KWQC has nothing to do with this Step 6. Channel Editor.  Just 
happens the two are the same number.)

OK, good luck.  Read what the others have to say also as they are a lot 
more expert than I am.

Barry

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