[mythtv-users] Switching away from comcast to online streams

[CACook at Quantum-Sci.com]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:09:45 -0800
<CACook at Quantum-Sci.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:38:25 -0500
> "Michael T. Dean" <mtdean at thirdcontact.com> wrote:
> > I suppose you could say that I "don't like the R5000", but I
> > think it's more precise to say that the MythTV community does not
> > like discussion of the R5000 on this list.
> 
> This is a fair statement about devs.  But users may very well want to
> know what options there are, and in the case of this thread, the user
> specifically asked.
> 
> 
> > Again, see #5 at 
> > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiquette#Anything_else_I_should_be_aware_of.3F 
> > .  And, because its wording must be much better than mine--since it 
> > seems there's a lot of questions over what I'm trying to say--and
> > since it seems few have actually read the rule at the link, I'll
> > quote a small part of #5:
> > ----
> > Discussion of any topics that may be considered illegal or
> > questionably legal in any of the areas that MythTV developers and/or
> > users reside (especially the United States as the mailing lists are
> > hosted in the United States) is prohibited. Similarly, discussion of
> > topics that are in violation of the Terms of Service/Terms of Use of
> > any service (including cable or satellite TV or web services, such
> > as video streaming sites or television listings sites) is
> > prohibited.
> >
> > *** And not just developers, but a lot of users, too, who don't want
> > to see the project get destroyed by legal threats that we
> > (developers, community members, and users) don't have the resources
> > to fight. Remember they don't have to take us to court--only to make
> > it potentially too costly (in terms of time and/or money) for us to
> > want to fight.  And I'll admit that it wouldn't take more than a
> > pittance out of my own pocket or a tiny amount of my own time to
> > sway me toward the "not worth fighting" side of the decision.
> 
> It is fair that you and other Myth devs do not like the R5000.  But
> apparently you have not understood the thread of this discussion, or
> simply will not accept the facts.
> 
> I can say it in sixty different ways, but this is clearest:
> 
> - The R5000 is not illegal, in its physical manifestation nor its
> usage.
> 
> - The R5000 is still in use by almost a hundred users of SageTV to
> record and archive Dish Network satellite TV programs (see the
> forums), and by myself and at least one other on MythTV.
> 
> - Even if the R5000 were proscribed by a content provider, which it
> is not, this has nothing to do with MythTV.  This would only be a
> concern between the user of the R5000 and the content provider.  It's
> ridiculous to try and associate Myth with this contract issue.
> 
> - If you do not want the Myth project to be destroyed, then why is
> commercial skip allowed which is clearly defined in federal statute
> as illegal?
> 
> - You should know that if content providers considered Myth to be
> enough of a threat to take legal action for any reason, they always
> send a cease and desist letter, which always gives a reasonable time
> period for you to stop the ostensibly infringing behavior, and is
> required to by law.  There is no penalty.  There is no fine, and no
> one is thrown in jail or the project shut down...  unless you fail to
> comply after expiration of the time period.
> 
> To continue to reject these facts is the reason I assert that this is
> an emotional and political issue, rather than a legal or technical
> one.  I'm glad that youall finally have something to agree to and
> band together on, but that doesn't make it correct or right, as
> always.  You apparently don't realize that there are many Myth users
> who agree with the points of view I've set out.  Maybe it doesn't
> matter to you.
> 
> And now, do you dare to put this on the list?


I don't understand why you haven't responded Michael.