[mythtv-users] mythbuntu theme 28.16

[Michael Watson]

On 22/12/2014 2:07 PM, Thomas Mashos wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Michael Watson
> <michael at thewatsonfamily.id.au> wrote:
>> On 21/12/2014 6:40 PM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:26 AM, John Finlay <finlay at moeraki.com> wrote:
>>> ....
>>>> The problem is that a change made at the request of one user without
>>>> checking with other users seems odd. If you are going to make a change of
>>>> such magnitude wouldn't it seem logical to check with other users to see
>>>> if
>>>> that would seem too disruptive? It seems strange that you would make a
>>>> change that satisfied one user but alienated dozens of users.
>>> Asserting facts not in evidence (i.e. the number of people
>>> who thought it was good vs bad)(*), and, regardless, your
>>> opinion (or my opinion) is not really relevant.  The only
>>> persons' opinion that matters is the creator/owner/artist
>>> who has to please only himself.  If it is appreciated by
>>> others, so much the better, but it is not a requirement.
>>> And nothing is forcing you to use that particular theme.
>>> Just as the author has free choice, so you do too.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that since you have such strong opinions
>>> regarding doing it better you should fork the theme and
>>> show everyone how well the process and result can be
>>> done.  That is the beauty of open source.  If you want it
>>> different, and you and the original author do not share the
>>> same vision, you can just go do it.  No one is standing in
>>> your way, and you should have plenty of help based on
>>> your claims of numbers of alienation.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> (*) And there is a selection bias.  Those that do not
>>> like something tend to complain/criticize/object,
>>> while those that like it, or are ambivalent, tend to be
>>> quiet (the silent majority).
>> Or the group of people that are wary of expressing there opinion because of
>> all to often statement like "The only persons' opinion that matters is the
>> creator/owner/artist who has to please only himsel", "If you want it
>> different, and you and the original author do not share the same vision, you
>> can just go do it", and "The change went though the normal approval process
>> ( I approved it )".  Statements like these are not helpful either.
>>
>> If you are only developing for yourself, then you would keep it to yourself.
>> As you are not being paid or forced to do any development, and your work is
>> being committed to the public arena, then you are looking for some sort of
>> gratification, and should be expecting some negative feedback.
> This is a false assumption. Just because I release something doesn't
> mean I am looking for some sort of gratification. If you've followed
> this list for any amount of time, then you'll definitely agree that I
> (the sole Mythbuntu theme developer) am not looking for gratification
> (unless I'm a Masochist).
Very few people do something for nothing.
>> As is human
>> nature, you generally receive four times the negative feedback than you do
>> positive feedback.  How you handle negative (and positive) feedback is
>> entirely up to the relevant developer, but to attack someone for expressing
>> their view is entirely uncalled for.
>>
> People can express their views all they want, but don't be offended
> when people ask what you don't like about the changes.
Who's getting offended.  Merely expressing my opinion.

>
>
>> I have not seen anybody demand that the theme be returned to its prior
>> state, merely suggestions that the way the theme(s) are released could be
>> improved.
>>
> Perhaps not in this particular thread (although I've been told in this
> thread repeatedly that I need to split off into a new theme if I want
> to do any changes).
>
> I suppose I could change how I release theme updates. Would you like
> to be on the board of directors?
It has been suggested that a split off would be a good idea.
Maybe themes could work like Myth itself, and have a "Stable Branch" and 
a "Development Branch".

>
>> Personally I (and my family) dislike all the themes that use the rotating
>> around the central position style of layout in the video's section  (like
>> Mythbuntu theme has recently switched to, and several others use).  So I
>> *choose* not to use these themes.  By the number of themes using this style
>> my view is clearly a minority (amongst theme developers anyway), which is
>> pushing me (and my family) to using an alternative product for frontend use.
>>
> Any particular reason you don't like that? Also, there are different
> views for the videos section.
If find the style where everything rotates around the centre confusing 
to navigate when using a large collection of videos, when using a remote 
or keyboard.  I imagine this style could work well with a touch screen 
though.


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