[mythtv-users] 0.25 mpeg2 lossless transcoding works again! hallelujah! except...

[Mike Perkins]

On 14/03/12 22:17, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 03/14/2012 05:53 PM, Mike Perkins wrote:
>> On 14/03/12 20:13, jk90090 wrote:
>>> On 3/14/12 11:38 AM, Mike Perkins wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/12 15:30, jk90090 wrote:
>>>>> Moving it to mythtv-setup is the wrong direction IMHO.  I feel it's bad
>>>>> design to move more things to that interface backend.  There really
>>>>> should only be *one* graphical interface for Mythtv (not two!), with all
>>>>> setup screens within it.  The mythtv-setup should be able to but run in
>>>>> text-only mode for the very basic setup (DB setup) and then use the
>>>>> frontend for further configuration like provider, card, channel setup,
>>>>> etc.  Without this, you can't run a windows-less backend and that feels
>>>>> to me like it defeats the purpose of having a split between frontend and
>>>>> backend.  This might end up driving me crazy enough to go about adding
>>>>> this improvement to the development tree for 0.26.
>>>>>
>>>> "Without this, you can't run a windows-less backend"
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yes you can! ssh -X or ssh -Y can do this perfectly well from any other
>>>> host. I believe you can use vnc or other methods too. ssh is the way I've
>>>> maintained my MBE for years, and it doesn't even have X installed.
>>>>
>>>> The way forward seems to be a separate web interface, which I understand is
>>>> planned for a future release. Till then, mythtv-setup over ssh works well enough.
>>>>
>>> Mike, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that still requires you to
>>> have the Xlibs on the backend... When I say windows-less, I mean
>>> completely devoid of X.
>>>
>> That's an interesting one. It seems that currently there *are* X libs on the
>> box, although I don't run X on it at all.
>
> Qt requires X libs.  MythTV requires Qt.
>
> X libs are approximately 10MB, installed.  If you really have a problem
> with that, you should buy a HDD made after 1991.  :)
>
> And, FWIW, Qt debug build with demos and examples:  4.5.3 = 838MB; 4.6.2
> = 999MB; 4.7.3 = 1.3GB; 4.8 = 1.3GB...
>
> And with that Qt 4.7.3, if you remove debugging, it's still 500MB, and
> of that, demos are 15MB and examples are 55MB and docs are 300MB, so
> even if you pare it down to basics, Qt 4.7.3 is still 130MB = 13 times
> the size of X libs.  Qt 4.7.3 libs, alone, are 80MB (=8x the size of X
> libs).
>
> (This is also why people shouldn't be worried about installing
> mythfrontend on a backend-only machine or mythbackend on a frontend-only
> machine.  See
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/507780#507780 and the
> rest of the thread--and note that pebender, who replied that the size of
> the binaries is "in the noise relative to the other software needed to
> create a running distribution," is maintaining a distro specifically
> tailored to diskless operation-- http://www.minimyth.org/ --so should
> have a good idea of what is and is not a concern.)
>
Way to miss the point, Mike. And you keep bringing this up when it's not 
relevant. This is a box stuffed in a cupboard. The disks it has are plenty big 
enough to run any amount of software on. It will only ever be accessed remotely, 
so I see no point on starting up any display manager or xorg.

Therefore, I don't want the disk cluttered up with unnecessary software - and by 
"cluttered up" I mean from the administrative point of view, not disk space. 
However, if I have to have the files there to make something work the way it's 
supposed to do, then I see no problem with doing that. I just hadn't remembered 
that the X software had been installed in the first place, that's all.

And yes, I do use minimyth.

* Incidentally, with certain Intel graphics chipsets, I can't even get my 
servers to boot without having a screen plugged in. I have to change xorg.conf 
to use the "vesa" driver which is not so tight-assed about missing hardware - 
even when I'm not running X.

-- 

Mike Perkins