[mythtv-users] 0.25 Music

Fri Feb 24 21:12:47 UTC 2012

--- On Fri, 2/24/12, Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] 0.25 Music
> To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
> Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM,
> Neil Cooper <neilcoo at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > --- On Fri, 2/24/12, Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> From: Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] 0.25 Music
> >> To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
> >> Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 8:16 AM
> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:57 AM,
> >> Christopher Kerr <mythtv at theseekerr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Scott &
> Nicole
> >> Harris
> >> > <snharris99 at live.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> I don't think your suggestion of using
> "Album
> >> Artist" will do much with 0.25
> >> >> (I could be very wrong).  The Navigation
> Tree is
> >> pre-filled with
> >> >> categories....All, Album, Artist, Rating.
>  Also,
> >> it may help a little with
> >> >> compilation albums, but it doesn't help
> much with
> >> all the individual songs
> >> >> that my wife has purchased from ITunes
> that she
> >> wants organize "Like X" and
> >> >> all the songs she's bought from Amazon
> that she
> >> want "Like Y".
> >> >
> >> > I'll admit that I hadn't considered this case
> -
> >> personally I'd
> >> > probably fudge the Genre tag because I never
> use it
> >> anyway.
> >> >
> >> > Re: making it work with MythMusic - I guess if
> you need
> >> a feature you
> >> > could ask really nicely? ;o)
> >> >
> >> >> Also, none of this allows me to just
> navigate to
> >> Kangaroo Cry and just play
> >> >> it.  I don't do playlists, never have,
> [hopefully]
> >> never will.  I have
> >> >> always been a jump around and listen to
> individual
> >> songs on whims, or entire
> >> >> albums in the background type.
> >> >
> >> > This I understand - I gave up on MythMusic
> because the
> >> playlist thing
> >> > drove me nuts. A software-Squeezebox solution
> has been
> >> much less
> >> > painful for me - some day I might even get
> around to
> >> writing a halfway
> >> > decent MythTV plugin for it based on the XML
> api it
> >> provides.
> >> >
> >> > - Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> I use Jaikoz to tag, multi-platform (java), works
> great,
> >> ties in with
> >> MusicBrainz and discogs. My music collection tags
> are "clean
> >> as a
> >> whistle" for all but my new music finds from blogs
> and such,
> >> which all
> >> are in their own separate folder.
> >>
> >> That said, the current MythMusic (0.24) ability to
> display
> >> the folder
> >> layout is essential for my music collection. I have
> music
> >> from various
> >> sources (various music stores, my ripped CD's, HD
> versus
> >> non, etc plus
> >> all my housemates music as well). and I want to be
> able to
> >> see that
> >> separation in MythMusic.
> >>
> >> The other option is to use a system like WinAmp's
> media
> >> player with
> >> it's smart playlists and such (which, in the end is
> my vote
> >> for how
> >> the on screen layout for MythMusic should look,
> like
> >> WinAmp's Media
> >> Library (minus the non-music stuff).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The problem with 'smart' anything is that it is based
> on one person's idea for how they like things done.
> Consequently it can NEVER satisfy 100% of the people all the
> time.
> >
> > Sure provide all the smart options you like, but don't
> drop the simple case (good ol' directory browsing). There
> will always be people that don't 'fit the model', or grumpy
> old men (like me) that just find needless complexity and
> computers second-guessing you badly just f***ing annoying.
> 
> 
> have you used Winamp? Regardless, I'll assume some here have
> not, so
> I'll explain a little further...
> 
> They actually call them Smart Views", which are designed by
> the user,
> what is smart about them is that they are populated based on
> criteria
> the user specifies.
> http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1999/smartview.jpg
> http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/winamp/winamp-smartview.jpg
> 
> 
> If you use google images and search "winamp media library"
> you'll see
> a lot of various layouts the media library in winamp can
> take on. The
> one I'm thinking of in terms of how I would like to see
> MythMusic's
> interface behave is this one:
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9ynZ1LviUi0/S1RV-OGG-MI/AAAAAAAAB5w/O9NGKiUW5ns/s1600/winamp+media+fixed.JPG
> 
> The Media Library portion (ignore the far right, that is the
> current
> playlist section) is made up of 5 panes, the far left "side
> bar" style
> pane is the "Library" portion, it is, as you can see, the
> various
> sections of the Library.
> For MythMusic I envision this "side bar" would autohide to
> the left
> and open when you go to it, with categories such as:
> "Local Media Filtered" - what you see here with filtering
> options,
> I'll get to this further down.
> 
> "Local Media Drive" - basically the drive layout basically
> how the
> current MythMusic works in "directory" mode.
> 
> "Smart Playlists" - smart playlists(for only local media)
> 
> "Playlists" - user saved static playlists(for only local
> media)
> 
> "Remote Media" - sources on the network that are locally
> mounted
> (could be merged into the "Local Media Drive" category?)
> 
> "Removable Media" - the CD/DVDROM drive
> 
> "Portable Devices" - external HDD, iPod, Zune, Sandisk Clip,
> Cell
> Phones, etc. with the ability to transfer music to/from
> these devices
> (could be merged with "Removable Media"?)
> 
> "Online Services" - perhaps not a top level in and of
> itself, but more
> a section that comes at the end for services like Pandora,
> Spotify,
> Rdio, MOG, Amazon, Google, etc.
> 
> Then the main space would show what is needed for what
> section you are in.
> 
> The screen shown in that image is how I envision the
> Filtered display
> to look, roughly. In Winamp the three filter sections are
> customizable, you can have none or up to 3, and you can
> choose which
> tag data to filter by, with some "canned" options. Below are
> the
> tracks that match that filter.
> 
> The main space could flip back and forth between the chosen
> Library
> section contents, and where appropriate, the Playlist
> screen, which
> shows the tracks currently queued.
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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Personally I'd never use it. Its way way too complicated and therefore inefficient for what I need.
If you're really set on implementing that approach please offer it as a configurable option, but don't make it the only way Mythmusic works.
I really don't want another way of working imposed on me when I already have the directory structure I want set up.
Also dont forget most mythtv users have a remote not a keyboard. This makes any features where the user enters text (search terms etc.) very awkward if not impossible, therefore useless.

Neil.