[mythtv-users] Who's going to be the first?

[Greg Oliver]

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:46 PM, jedi <jedi at mishnet.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 03:58:15PM -0400, Craig Treleaven wrote:
>> At 2:11 PM -0500 9/2/10, jedi wrote:
>> >On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 04:31:56PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> >> jedi wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >    Even something as simple as some home videos can be legacy content.
>> >> >
>> >> >    Apple's approach to content is infact user hostile when it comes to
>> >> >basic simple things that an end user might have lying around. You don't
>> >> >have to be a "geek" to have some video files that you might have created
>> >> >or saved or gotten from someone else.
>> >>
>> >> Ahh, but Apple have that sewn up too - you import it into iMovie,
>> >
>> >    No you don't. iMovie just barfs on it.
>> >
>> >    Most people aren't in a good position to see this for themselves.
>> >
>>
>> So your camcorder isn't one of the few hundred supported by iMovie?
>> https://support.apple.com/kb/HT3290
>
>    I was talking about FILES.
>
>    This is not the "we've already bought into only ever using Apple
> devices for anything we do" use case.
>
>>
>> > > export it in the right format, and then stream it through your Apple
>> >> TV. I think that we can expect updates to all the relevant i<stuff>
>> >> to add the right support bits, if it's not already there, so once
>> >> you have it on your computer it's "one click" to make it available
>> >> to your Apple TV.
>> >
>> >    Any device that can read a NAS fileshare already does it. Just drop
>> >it in the right location and all of your work is done. You don't have to
>> >"import" anything or "transcode" anything. It kind of "just works".
>> >
>> >    That is the beauty of open systems and hardware and software that are
>> >designed to just play whatever you happen to have (VLC, popcorn hour, any
>> >Windows/Linux equivalent of iMovie).
>> >
>> What proportion of the population do you think is able to set up a NAS
> server, acquire (download, import, whatever) video to be stored there,
>
> ...actually it's pretty darn trivial with Windows.
>
> You right click on a folder and you futz around with the menus.
>
> It's not exactly rocket surgery.
>
> Some people insist on making simple ideas and simple GUI interfaces into
> something much more scary then the really are. All this does is make end
> users afraid of their own shadow and unable to deal with ANY interface.
>
> [deletia]
>
> Robust software and hardware that takes a no-excuses approach to playing
> stuff makes this sort of thing inherently easy. There is nothing to futz
> around with because your player doesn't try to get in your way.
>
> The Apple approach is only easy if you are willing to fully adapt to how
> they want you to do things and to never deviate from that.

Yeah, but the government *really* likes those types too  :)  Hell with
the iRevolution (brainwashing), they may even get tax cuts for the
ability to *fall in line*  :)

j/k - in all seriousness I see both sides - they do make it easier for
the average Joe to accomplish things that noone subscribed to this
list should have issues with..  Other than figuring out how to use
iTunes with more than apple products  :)

>> BTW, what is the "Window/Linux equivalent of iMovie"?  I've put together a few videos with iMovie and I've yet to see anything remotely as easy to use.
>
>    Just about any Win32 shareware/nagware/commercial video editor is more than
> the equal of iMovie. There is squat that is magical about it. If anything, it's
> insistence on bad workflow and poor format support is a big negative.
>
>    iMovie is more complete than Linux equivalents in areas other than format
> support, but that's not really saying much.