[mythtv-users] Let's get our heads straight here on listings solutions

[David Lonie]

On Friday 22 June 2007 18:58, Joe Borne wrote:

> We need an effective, accurate and
> expedient solution.

No argument here. That's what I'm counting on the devs for. But why stop 
there?

> Finding a way to make this situation profitable 
> for the Zap2It people, or another vendor represents our best chance at
> this. 

I definately am not a fan of supporting the Zap2It folks longer than we have 
to. If the devs strike a deal with them, then great. But what's to prevent 
this from happening again in the future? And perhaps the question that myself 
and other supporters of this project are focusing on: Why aren't tv listing 
public available like this anyway? It's pure BS that Tribune and Gemstar can 
monopolize something that should be public domain.

If another vendor steps up and hosts listings in a logical fashion, like 
google or imdb for instance, Great! That cuts down on what we intend to do. 
All that'd be left is the backend.

> Failure is not an option!

I'm assuming that failure in this context means downtime. Whether or not there 
is downtime depends on the devs or other groups who are trying alternate 
routes. What our intention is has little to do with the current mythtv 
situation - we will be completely unable to provide a solution by the time 
Z2L says "buh-bye. Click." What I'm thinking of could be years in the making, 
but I will not say impossible. It has yet to be seen how the stations will 
react, but there is no reason not to try.

> So at this point I'm going to discontinue this conversation. The
> MythTV project is near and dear to me and so I sought to lend my
> knowledgebase to finding solution. As always, there are stakeholders
> who take advocacy positions. Although they have the best intentions,
> their efforts do nothing but slow the progress to a real solution. In
> my opinion that is what we are seeing here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. From my point of view, however, you 
have just described yourself at this point. We are brainstorming an idea to 
make a change and you have put your effort into stopping it. If we fail, we 
are at no loss. I applaud your forebearance in stepping down with dignity and 
not resorting to bickering and senseless name-call ( Which I believe is what 
truely slows the progress to the solution.) If tying up this mailing list is 
being considered an impedance, I have applied with sourceforge for the 
continuation of this project. So we will be off the list and those interested 
can follow along. I will post the address when I have it.

On that note, I will be continuing this discussion ;)

> So I'm going to put my trust in the core Myth team. So far they
> haven't disappointed.

And I don't believe they will start anytime soon.

Dave