[mythtv-users] [OT] Re: Problems using MythTV - errors with channel parameters

[Michael Obster]

Hi,

Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
> 
> First off, it's not "my" software.  Secondly, bitching and complaining when
> you obviously haven't done your research (such as reading the -dev mailing
> list to see that the DVB Patch had been committed to CVS), and haven't kept
> current with CVS...  That's not a problem with the software.  That's a problem
> with the user.
> 

I don't agree with that. Software guidelines and research about software 
engineering tells a complete other view. They say the problem user does 
not exist. (I know that this is a very provoking statement)

I cannot be the duty of the user to read a complete mailing list to get 
a software running.
The duty of an user is to read documenation like a handbook, an usage 
guide, a howto or anything else in this form.
That was what I have done to run my mythtv and my experience was that 
documentation had lots of holes or obselete parts. Especially DVB setup 
is not described very well.
Btw the best software in the intention of software enginering is 
intuitional usable software, because documentation is not needed there 
(but I always say, continue your dream).

After some hints from mailing lists to 
http://www.digitalregime.com/mythdvb/ I get my mythtv running.

Personally for open source projects I don't write back to people and 
critize their attitude. This always frights users off. It is clear in 
such situation that some people are frustrated because of bad 
documentation (yes the problem is very well know by an open source 
project I'm development member), but nobody of us writes (or should 
write) such mails to the people. We try to help them... and come on this 
is a user list and not a development list ;-)
If you get lots of mails like that, perhaps it is time to do something 
against that? When nothing will be done until I get some more time , I 
will to try to write a complete howto, but I cannot do that without 
help. Because imho a change here is needed.

So don't complain about attitude, my original post was more from the 
frustration and anger about the software and that is not ok, but your 
reaction was also not ok for my opinion. I did not offend you (I hope 
so) in my original post, so why have you done that to me or the cattles? 
  They cannot answer back, I can ;-).

Btw. another persons has told me why -march=pentiumpro and I can 
understand that. Perhaps if you want to talk to optimization guru go to 
http://www.fefe.de. He had done a very good presentation about gcc 
optimization a few years ago :-).

Cheers,
Michael Obster
-- 
mailto: michael at obster.org
http://www.obster.org

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