[mythtv-users] Data Direct Subscription Expires?

Mark fairlane at springcom.com
Sat Jan 8 11:50:08 EST 2005


Brad Templeton wrote:

>The last message was too much one of those included text point-by-points
>that nobody reads, so I will write without including text.
>
>I am not saying there are no motivations for TMS to give it away
>free, and indeed halting scraping is a good one we've already discussed.
>
>However, it still concerns me.  We all know how much effort we have
>put into these boxes, and they need the listings to run the way we
>want them.   I am happy to take the listings for free, of course, but
>would feel the most comfortable about the effort I have taken if
>I could be sure it would continue, which I'm not with a free offer
>renewed every 3 months.
>
>I might actually be happier if they gave it to me for $10/year without
>the survey.   Then I would know it was going to be reliable for at
>least a year, and most probably forever subject to minor price fluctations.
>
>(Side note:  You're misusing the concept of FUD.  FUD refers to a _vendor_
>in a marketplace trying to raise concerns about their competitors, usually
>through the use of vapour.  It does not refer to the _customers_ asking
>questions about the uncertainties.   If Gemstar were to be pushing
>threads about wondering how long TMS would give away data, that would be
>FUD.)
>
>3 month registration is almost unique among the free web services that
>require registration out there.   How many other sites can you name
>that have their users re-fill out the demographic data that frequently
>to keep an account? 
>
>But for now I am happy to accept what they say about their motivation.
>But at the same time we must be concerned when they are willing to
>use phrases like:
>
>    "If you purchased a hardware or software product that receives its
>    television listings from Zap2it Labs' DataDirect or, indirectly,
>    through XMLTV, you may be violating our contract. It is critical that
>    you and your vendor abide by our contractual terms, lest *everyone*
>    suffer the consequences."
>
>I have emphasized the word.  What they are saying is not really any
>surprise or different from what I have been concerned about here.  It's
>clear that they feel that should there be problems, they will not just
>consider, but already have threatened to pull the service.
>
>And that shouldn't surprise us.  They are doing it free, and that
>means they can stop at any time they view it to be a problem.  So
>can any open source developer stop coding (though the FOSS licences
>stop them from revoking code from the FOSS arena for others to take
>on the load.)
>  
>
There is absolutely no certainty in life.  Not learning to live with 
this fact or even embrace it will eventually lead to an early grave.  
Enjoy the free listings.  Even if they don't last.


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