[mythtv-users] Myth Ideas

[James L. Paul]

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On Tuesday 02 December 2003 11:07, Boyd II, Willy wrote:
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> From: and [mailto:hons at rcn.com]
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> >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:44 PM
> >To: Discussion about mythtv
> >Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Myth Ideas
> >
> >
> >MythP2P would be amazing though if it simply enabled me to record
> >programs retroactively....
> >
> >ie. I look for a program in my epg and see that there was a film on
> >yesterday that I would love to watch or that my box forgot to record,
> >and by clicking a button it fill fetch it from someone else,
> >maybe in a
> >kind of bitstream way, so that it spreads the bandwidth. It could even
> >be done with an automatically generated and small transcoded
> >version.....
> >
> >I think this would be a killer feature and one that could be done in a
> >way that doesn't lead to illegal sharing (apart from the
> >sharing of the
> >tv content that I'm sure DMCA would have a problem with anyway..)

This simply isn't legal. We have the legal right to record TV content for our 
own private use, but not to distribute it to others. Period. This isn't a 
technology thing, it's a copyright issue. You can make a VHS tape of your 
favorite TV show, but you are not allowed to give copies to your friends.

I don't see any way to do this in a way that doesn't lead to illegal sharing, 
since ANY sharing at all of an entire program would be illegal.

Retroactivity is irrelevant. Failure to exercise an option to view or record a 
TV show doesn't give you a right to get it from an unauthorized source. Just 
because you _could_ have recorded it yesterday doesn't mean you have some 
special right copy it from somebody who did.

Of course, most of us see copyright law broken every day. Most people are so 
used to it they don't know what they are doing is illegal. That doesn't make 
it ok though. Since our open source licenses depend on the strength of 
copyright law, I'd rather not see our projects head in directions that will 
obviously weaken it.

> This does bring up a very, very interesting point, but unfortunately I
> don't think such "retroactive ownership" would technically be legal.  Say I
> bought a cd, and it was lost or stolen (like I paid for my tv, but
> yesterday's program was "lost" because I forgot to record it).  Just
> because it's no longer in my possession doesn't give me the right to obtain
> this cd again (or it's copyrighted contents), without paying.  Or does it??
>  I'm thinking not... (Like you sorta said, even if it were legal under fair
> use rights, those went the way of the dodo bird with the DMCA) Plus this is
> off-topic for the list and prone to start a flame war, so we should
> probably leave it at that :-)  It just piqued my curiousity when I read
> your post.
>
> - Willy
>
> >rgds
> >anders
> >
> >On Dec 2, 2003, at 3:38 AM, J. Donavan Stanley wrote:
> >> Robert Currey wrote:
> >>> My thoughts as well ...
> >>>
> >>>> MythP2P
> >>>> - a peer-to-peer client for other mythtv users so we can
> >
> >share files
> >
> >>>> and
> >>>> add them to our database properly
> >>>> - i.e. sharing tv shows, music, movies, pictures etc...
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps ... MythShare. Essentially a module that makes it easy to
> >>> push photos, video clips, etc. Think an interface my mom
> >
> >could use to
> >
> >>> push a photo or video to my MythShare (and vice versa). I
> >
> >prefer the
> >
> >>> push mode over
> >>> p2p since I control who gets the dirty photos/videos of ...
> >
> >well, you
> >
> >>> get
> >>> the idea.
> >>
> >> I've thought about something similar, and came to the conclusion that
> >> it would create FAR more hassle for the MythTV users and developers
> >> than it would be worth.  How many people would honestly use it to
> >> share out content legally?  (hint not many).
> >>
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