[mythtv] [mythtv-commits] Ticket #1635: LiveTV uses UP to go up the channel list, Guide uses DOWN.

[Steven Adeff]

On 4/6/06, Derek Atkins <warlord at mit.edu> wrote:
> Greg Stark <gsstark at MIT.EDU> writes:
> >> So, I think the current behavior is exactly correct.
> >
> > In other words you want channel+ in the guide to do what channel-
> > does in live tv osd mode. And channel- in the guide to do what
> > channel+ does in live tv osd mode.
>
> I don't really look at it that way..
>
> I want the "arrow" keys (which happen to be CH+ and CH-) to move me
> around the EPG grid.  It's a grid.  Ignore the fact that the first
> column is a channel number.  It's relatively irrelevant.  I want the
> grid to be treated like a grid..  Up moves up the grid, down moves
> down the grid.  The fact that "down the grid" is "increasing channel"
> is irrelevant to the movement.
>
> The Live TV OSD Mode is completely different.  It's not a grid.  It's
> the "current channel".  So, yeah, I want CH+ to increase the channel
> number, and CH- to decrease the channel number.

I assume the bindings for Browse mode are different from the EPG for
this? Perhaps separating out the bindings so that once can assign them
differently?

> > The case where I find this confusing with a regular satellite box is
> > when I'm watching something, flip "up" some number of channels
> > during the commercials, then want to go back but want to do it more
> > quickly than one channel at a time so I bring up the guide and
> > intuitively go "down". And of course immediately lose my place
> > entirely.
>
> Your mental model is broken.  Fix your mental model.  :)

I was going to say its a more limited model, but that doesn't sound
any nicer either ;-)


> > I think there should be an option to list the guide in descending order so
> > that up always means up and down always means down.
>
> I think you'll be the only person in the world that does that.  But to
> channel Isaac, "send in a patch".
>
> > I have another suggestion. It would also be nice to have an option
> > to make the guide not "wrap around". I find it hard to orient myself
> > with no boundaries.
>
> Again, I think you're the only person in the world that has this issue.
> I find the wrapping a feature that I wish existed in more places.


I had a friend that refused to use the wrapping feature when we had
TiVo back in college, he was adamant that numbers don't loop...


> > Probably both of these things come down to whether you think about the
> > channels using a mental model where you're "moving" around in a linear space
> > or some less physical model. Personally my mental model here is a very
> > concrete physical space thing. And I get completely confused both when the
> > directions swap and when there are no boundaries.
>
> Yeah, use a different model.. Actually you need TWO models, but the
> channel model is a mathematical group.  It just keeps going round and
> round and round
>
> The EPG is a grid, like any other grid..  Think "Excel" or "Gnumeric"
> or OOo or any other spreadsheet grid.  The channels still wrap in the
> group concept, but when you're looking at the EPG think about how you
> would move around in a spreadsheet.  The spreadsheet doesn't care
> what's in the columns -- the movement around the spreadsheet is the
> same regardless.  Your columns can be ascending, descending, or even
> random order, but "down" moves down and "up" moves up.
>
>        warlord at MIT.EDU                        PGP key available

--
Steve