[mythtv] Can't we use Bugzilla on mythtv.org to keep things abit more structured?

J. Donavan Stanley jdonavan at jdonavan.net
Mon Jun 28 07:31:45 EDT 2004


Tako Schotanus wrote:

> J. Donavan Stanley wrote:
>
>> Morten wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's directly *shameful*, that a project like this one doesn't
>>> have a structured way of sorting out the reported bugs. The mailing 
>>> list
>>> we're all using here is just a huge "bomb list", where you don't 
>>> know if
>>> people actually read your mails, and the mails just keep on coming in a
>>> looooong row with no overview at all!
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> Shameful eh?  How do you know there's not a lot of things going on 
>> that you don't have a clue about?
>
>
> Than it's shameful that those who do have a clue don't share it with 
> the rest of the _community_ because I don't have a clue either (but 
> hey, he quoted me so it's obvious I don't have a clue, now don't I?)


Now, don't get pissy I wasn't mean and nasty.  But bitching about a 
project being shameful when you're looking in from the outside is silly.


>>> The thing is that nobody have the big picture of what's going on 
>>> here!!!
>>>  
>>>
>> No *you* don't have the big picture.  Your lack of information 
>> doesn't mean everyone is missing out.
>
>
>
> Saying _nobody_ has the big picture is admittedly litterally incorrect 
> because there are _some_ who have the big picture, but that's only a 
> small group. So what Morten is saying (and I have said before) is that 
> there are more people out there that wouldn't mind spending some time 
> fixing bugs or implementing small features. But unless there is a list 
> or somebody that can tell us what can/needs to be done you are not 
> going to get those people involved.


It's pretty easy to find bugs and feature requests the problem is:  Half 
the time it's not a bug it's the user having screwed up drivers and the 
like.  Half the features requested are of use to a small percentage of 
user and zero percent of the developers.  It's very easy to see what's 
been committed to see if any of those have been done....  It just takes 
a certain level of commitment right now.


>>> And I don't give #%!* about the excuse that goes "Bugzilla reminds 
>>> me of
>>> work", since it *is* a good thing to structure things a bit. (Just 
>>> don't
>>> do it to death, okay!)
>>>  
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure most folks don't give #%!* about what you don't give 
>> #%!* about.
>
>
>
> Jeez, pipe down man, no need to get personal.


ROFL


>>> people really miss. -- It's just a shame that it's impossible to find
>>> out what people really want, and what's important.
>>>  
>>>
>> I'd love to do some serious bug-fixing here, and coding the things that
>> Code what YOU really miss.  If you really want to write code for 
>> someone else it's trivial to find user requests.
>
>
> And this is SO inefficient! I have made a couple of small 
> contributions to this project even though I could have spent more time 
> probably but thre was nothing that _I_ needed so I didn't do anything 
> else. Why? Because I have no idea what people really want and 
> searching the list for features or bugs is just plain silly, that way 
> you have no idea whatsoever if the feature/bug has already been 
> implemented/fixed or if somebody might already be working on it.


Try the wiki, they managed to gather most/all the user requests up.

How often do you visit the chat room for devs?  When was the last time 
you asked for a suggestion?  When was the last time you say "hey guys 
I'm thinking of working on XYZ what do you think?"  You have plenty of 
tools at your disposal without Bugzilla.


> And that's where something like BugZilla comes in handy, especially 
> for a project that is becoming more complex each day.
> You can track all the issues that people have found, depending on the 
> number of subscriptions or votes or the amount of discussion related 
> to the issue you can more or less determine if you would make a lot of 
> people happy or not (which is the main reason why I would ever work on 
> something that wasn't directly necessary for me personally).

There's no doubt it would be useful, it's just not the train wreck you 
make it out to be without it.



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