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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/26/2018 12:27 AM, Thomas Mashos
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">That is a
recipe for disaster - it could kill the entire MythTV<br>
project.</blockquote>
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<div>It could kill a project that is already on the verge of
dying? I'd argue it could save the project. </div>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The users
of MythTV use mythfrontend - that is what they see<br>
and love. Only a small minority use other frontends (eg
Kodi), and<br>
they still have to use mythfrontend for some things Kodi
does not do.<br>
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<div>Which is precisely why I suggested assisting in the
development of plugins for third party frontends, so they
can be on par with mythfrontend.</div>
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Mythfrontend's ability to be used from a remote control and
to do<br>
everything that is necessary for excellent and comfortable
TV viewing<br>
must remain! </blockquote>
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<div>Kodi and many other third party media players can be used
with a remote control and have 10 foot interfaces.</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If you
want to change how it works underneath to use the<br>
Services API, fine, that is probably a good idea. But the
Services<br>
API is insufficient to be able to make mythfrontend do
everything it<br>
needs yet - do NOT remove functionality from mythfrontend.
Make the<br>
Services API fully functional and convert mythfrontend to
using it as<br>
the necessary functions are added.<br>
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<div>I'm glad we can both agree that the services API should
be fully functional</div>
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And I would also say that removing all the plugins is a bad
idea too.<br>
My mother uses the mythmusic plugin to play her operas. It
is not the<br>
best of user interfaces, but she knows it know and can use
it. Having<br>
to change to something else at her age (85) is not going to
happen and<br>
removing mythmusic would stop her from playing her operas
without my<br>
help every time. That would be serious reduction in her
quality of<br>
life - she listens to operas every night. I use mythmusic
myself - I<br>
do not play my music collection so much these days, but when
I do,<br>
mythmusic does the job, because, like the rest of
mythfrontend, it is<br>
fully functional via remote control and works on a TV
screen. I have<br>
looked at using other, more capable, music players, and they
all<br>
stumble on the problem of having to work from a TV setup -
they need a<br>
mouse based GUI interface, which simply does not work when
the screen<br>
is a TV some distance away. My mother simply would not be
able to see<br>
the detail of such a GUI, and can not use a mouse properly
anyway. The<br>
joy and beauty of the plugins is that, like mythfrontend,
they are<br>
remote control operated. That is rare and necessary for
anything used<br>
from a TV screen, as opposed to a computer monitor that is
less than a<br>
metre away.<br>
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<div>Other third party frontends can provide music (and other)
functionality (and one could argue already does a better job
of organization/searching/usability) and via theming should
be able to give the same UX as any of the mythtv plugins. </div>
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<div>Removing the plugins frees up developers that don't want
to work on them anymore. It allows focusing on the
"important" parts of the project (which IMO is the backend,
which sets it apart from all other DVR solutions). </div>
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<div>If you don't want to give up the plugins, are you going
to continue developing them? If not, then who?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">-Thomas</div>
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For what it's worth, I switched back to mythfrontend from Kodi
because Kodi's UI is constantly changing and I can't get the family
used to the latest version. Since I use my Frontend to watch
recorded and live TV only, mythfrontend is ideal for us. I use the
Mythbuntu 28.21 theme.<br>
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In my family room I have a 60" TV and A/V receiver that collects all
the inputs like BD player, Roku, Mythtv-FE, and Nintendo. Neither of
these devices can do all of what the others do, mostly because of
copyrights. I wouldn't mind moving Mythtv FE from a NUC PC to a
Raspberry PI3, but only once the currently one dies. The BD player
is not used due to the increased use of streaming on Roku. Nintendo
is rarely uses since the kids aren't kids anymore. So until Roku
can run a real mythtv-frontend for MPEG2 OTA TV recordings, I'm
using multiple devices.<br>
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Jim A<br>
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