<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Tim Draper <<a href="mailto:veehexx@zoho.com" class="">veehexx@zoho.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">---- On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:12:13 +0000 Jim Abernathy <</span><a href="mailto:jfabernathy@outlook.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">jfabernathy@outlook.com</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> wrote ----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Mark Perkins <<a href="mailto:perkins1724@hotmail.com" class="">perkins1724@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 06/01/18 10:12, Jim Abernathy wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">So I got to work on the Centos7 mythtv in a VM for test and then I quickly realized I hadn’t worked with Fedora or Centos for 6 or 7 years. No way to solve all the dependency problems. Too big a learning curve for an old man. I’ll stick with Ubuntu LTS based. Thanks for the confirmation that all Linux DISTROs are complicated. I can get mythtv up and running on Ubuntu server or Desktop in under 30 minutes. So I’ll stay there.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I usually compile mythtv from source but just tried to install from a <br class="">base Centos7 image from scratch to see what was going on. Looks like <br class="">might be a couple of issues at the moment?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">First added EPEL ok:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum install epel-release<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Then added rpmfusion (free and non free) ok:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum localinstall --nogpgcheck <br class=""><a href="https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/el/rpmfusion-free-release-7.noarch.rpm" class="">https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/el/rpmfusion-free-release-7.noarch.rpm</a> <br class=""><a href="https://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/el/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-7.noarch.rpm" class="">https://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/el/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-7.noarch.rpm</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Updated ok:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum update<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Then tried to install mythtv. Two problems, missing dependency <br class="">google-droid-sans-fonts and version problem with mythweb. Also looks <br class="">like still 0.28 not 29.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum install mythtv<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">.......<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Error: Package: mythtv-setup-0.28.1-5.el7.x86_64 (rpmfusion-free-updates)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Requires: google-droid-sans-fonts<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Error: Package: mythtv-0.28.1-5.el7.x86_64 (rpmfusion-free-updates)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Requires: mythweb = 0.28.1<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Available: mythweb-0.28-6.el7.noarch (rpmfusion-free-updates)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> mythweb = 0.28-6.el7<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Error: Package: mythtv-frontend-0.28.1-5.el7.x86_64 (rpmfusion-free-updates)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Requires: google-droid-sans-mono-fonts<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">Sames problems I saw in my test. I might try a VM to test Centos7 minimal with nux-dextop version 29 and mythtv as a comparison.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Jim A<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">The font I could work around by enabling EPEL testing <br class="">($yum-config-manager --enable epel-testing). But I cannot immediately <br class="">see how to get around the mythweb version mismatch. Would need Richards <br class="">guidance on this one.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">It appears that nux-dextop is still working fine and is also providing <br class="">version 29:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum install epel-release<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$rpm -Uvh <br class=""><a href="http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/nux-dextop-release-0-5.el7.nux.noarch.rpm" class="">http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/nux-dextop-release-0-5.el7.nux.noarch.rpm</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum update<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">$yum install mythtv<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">i actually gave up with centos and repo based mythtv updates. I found the same as you two did; rpmfusion is out of date, and iirc, while nux repo has 29, it doesnt seem to be kept upto date. certainly over christmas, the --version number of mythtv components that reference git commits, didnt line up with anything on the first page of commits.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">for the times i update my mythtv infra, recompiling isnt too much of an issue. new major versions i tend to update around 0day+1month, active bugs i track on git commits/bug trac and update when fixed, and i maybe update myth once every 3-6months for general patching.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">that said, i did find ansible on centos7 broken ('ansible-playbook -i hosts qt5.yml' method) when it hits the perl requirements in the playbook. theres a recent post about it from me somewhere.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I ended up manually installing the perl deps, then commenting out the perl section of ansible to allow it to continue and report any further issues.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">dont take this post as a complaint or moan. there's that many distro's in use that i understand some may be more polished than others. with the decision to drop mythbuntu a while back, it's quite evident efforts are being (correctly imo) concentrated on the core software and not at the distro level.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">aside from that, i've not had any real differences between running a ubuntu or rhel-esque distro, it's all down to distro preference. just simpler for me to run the same distro at work as at home.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I left all the history for this thread because it is pointing out a deeper problem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wonder if it is time to do mythtv as a snap package that could be installed on any distribution with the dependencies included in the package. I understand that the rpm based distributions can also use snap packages as can other distributions. Solus has also been touting snap packaging after initially being against them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Food for future thought.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jay</div></body></html>