<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com" target="_blank">gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Kris Jensen <<a href="mailto:kris.jensen.knj@gmail.com">kris.jensen.knj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Is anyone knowledgeable on Verizon stuff? Is that statement correct ?<br>
<br>
</span>The answer is, yes, you can use your own router, but<br>
depending on the specifics, it will likely cost you far<br>
more than the (one time) $60 that Verizon is charging<br>
for their newer router (no recurring charges with the<br>
new router, apparently). So you have to decide if<br>
this is the way you want to invest your resources.<br>
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Discussion<br>
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Depending on your current connection, the old device<br>
is performing one or more of the following functions:<br>
<br>
* Moca ethernet bridge<br>
* NAT router functions<br>
* Wireless connectivity<br>
<br>
Some chose to purchase a combined router and<br>
wireless device (it is common in the consumer<br>
space).<br>
<br>
If you have some of the higher FiOS speeds you<br>
need to chose the device carefully because many<br>
older (or cheaper) models simply cannot perform at<br>
speed.<br>
<br>
One should be able to purchase a Moca ethernet<br>
bridge (there are very few consumer routers that<br>
include the moca bridge functionality) and then<br>
just plug the (new) router into the bridge (which<br>
plugs into the coax).<br>
<br>
Alternatively, in some cases you can connect a<br>
Ethernet cable from your router into the ONT, but:<br>
<br>
* In some ONT's, the port is physically blocked<br>
* Most ONT's are located outside, so:<br>
- You have to run a Ethernet cable to the ONT<br>
which means:<br>
. You may need to drill in the side of the<br>
residence<br>
. You have to protect against rodents<br>
(yes, they will chew the cable)<br>
. You have to provide lightning protection<br>
for the Ethernet cable and the upstream<br>
equipment (induced voltages can destroy<br>
their ports)(*).<br>
* FiOS may have to enable the ethernet port<br>
(and disable the ONT Moca bridge function).<br>
<br>
Depending in the specifics, you may end up having<br>
to have a Verizon Tech replace/upgrade the ONT.<br>
<br>
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(*) Lightning protection is an advanced discussion<br>
all on its own, and in any case, has to meet your<br>
local jurisdictions codes (which are usually based<br>
on NFPA 70, but can vary).<br>
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</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Many thanks Gary,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I had thought that Verizon was charging >$130 for the newer router. That price was offered to me in a older email (a year ago or so).</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Ya for a $60 one time fee it may worth it to not go through Verizon's support chain to enable the cat5 port on the ONT. I know it the ONT has one, I have opened the ONT to look at it's options.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Right now the Verizon router is only being as a "dumb router" Wifi is not enabled, and the only device connected to the router is a firewall appliance (through a DMZ port), then behind that is my DHCP/routing and wireless AP. solution for my network.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Getting wires to the ONT is not a problem. I wired my house.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">So it looks as if I wanted to go without Verizon router I could, If a felt like dealing with Verizon support that is.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks again,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Kris </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>