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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/12/2015 04:28 PM, Kirk Bocek
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> Was there ever any
discussion about the
rationalization for why the<br>
> interface would change
from something usable to
something that isn't?<br>
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</span>I think that's an overly
harsh characterization of the
situation.<br>
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I use it and find it perfectly
usable. Is it exactly laid out
how I<br>
would have done it? No. Could
it be improved? Sure. But I
don't<br>
think it deserves this level of
hate.<br>
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<div>Hate? No. Confusion? Yes.
Intuitive (especially compared
to the previous version)? No.
I think the empirical evidence
of the sheer number of "how does
this work?" question shows that.</div>
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<div>I'd argue vocal minority. People that
like it don't bother to pipe up on the
mailing list about it. People that don't
like it are more likely to post about it. I
had similiar threads when I changed the
Mythbuntu theme's recordings and videos
screens. So much that I decided to release
the old version as a "classic" version of
the theme (as it was easy enough to do).
Less than 1% of all mythtv users use that
classic theme (0.8%, 60 users), and the
Mythbuntu theme (the one with the changes
that were "universally hated") is used by
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<div>Don't forget option #3 - they just stop using
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<div>In either case, I don't understand the "if you
don't like it, fix it" response to people that are
just trying to figure out how it works.</div>
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<div>Please show me where people are asking how it works.
This particular thread was started looking for an
alternative to mythmusic </div>
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Well, me. I didn't specifically ask that to be guided. But I
couldn't get it to work when I sat down to use it. It wasn't
obvious. It wasn't easy. And my wife was tapping her feet
expecting me to come to the dinner table. <br>
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Now enough people are damning with faint praise here that I'll go
back and try again. But the first sip from the well has been
pretty bitter.<br>
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Out in the real world, when software is to be developed, the end
users are consulted (or should be, when management decides features,
the software typically is useless to the end users), features are
discussed, interface and user experience is discussed and over time,
the project creates software that is useful for the end users to
accomplish their tasks. Security gets added in long after. ;)<br>
What happened here is one thing that corporations hate about open
source, a developer decided to pick up a project, then change the
software in a way to the developer prefers, rather than seeking end
user input.<br>
I work for a Fortune 200 company, if such a massive change in user
interface and operability were suddenly introduced, that software
would very likely be uninstalled from all systems and replaced with
something predictable.<br>
But, such sudden changes also give ammunition to those who dislike
and distrust open source software.<br>
In a world where change management goes through committees, sudden
drastic change is unwelcome. When such changes are even heard from
in an open source project not used by that environment, mistrust of
all open source projects becomes set.<br>
Thankfully, MythTV is obscure enough that most corporations would
have never heard of it, but other projects have shot open source in
the foot by similar drastic changes.<br>
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Just a little food for thought from an old systems and security
engineer, BOFH and information security professional, who also had
one devil of a time trying to get MythMusic to work and determined
that feature is indeed a myth.<br>
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