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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/12/2015 04:28 PM, Kirk Bocek
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/2015 1:24 PM, Thomas Mashos
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            <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:19 PM Phil Bridges
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 4:08
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                              <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug
                                      12, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Eric Sharkey
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                                          > Was there ever any
                                          discussion about the
                                          rationalization for why the<br>
                                          > interface would change
                                          from something usable to
                                          something that isn't?<br>
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                                        </span>I think that's an overly
                                        harsh characterization of the
                                        situation.<br>
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                                        I use it and find it perfectly
                                        usable.  Is it exactly laid out
                                        how I<br>
                                        would have done it?  No.  Could
                                        it be improved?  Sure.  But I
                                        don't<br>
                                        think it deserves this level of
                                        hate.<br>
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                                            Eric<br>
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                                      <div>Hate?  No.  Confusion?  Yes. 
                                        Intuitive (especially compared
                                        to the previous version)?  No. 
                                        I think the empirical evidence
                                        of the sheer number of "how does
                                        this work?" question shows that.</div>
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_______________________________________________<br>
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                          <div>I'd argue vocal minority. People that
                            like it don't bother to pipe up on the
                            mailing list about it. People that don't
                            like it are more likely to post about it. I
                            had similiar threads when I changed the
                            Mythbuntu theme's recordings and videos
                            screens. So much that I decided to release
                            the old version as a "classic" version of
                            the theme (as it was easy enough to do).
                            Less than 1% of all mythtv users use that
                            classic theme (0.8%, 60 users), and the
                            Mythbuntu theme (the one with the changes
                            that were "universally hated") is used by
                            50X more users</div>
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                    <div>Don't forget option #3 - they just stop using
                      it without posting about it. ;)</div>
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                    <div>In either case, I don't understand the "if you
                      don't like it, fix it" response to people that are
                      just trying to figure out how it works.</div>
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            <div>Please show me where people are asking how it works.
              This particular thread was started looking for an
              alternative to mythmusic </div>
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        <div dir="ltr">Thomas Mashos</div>
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      Well, me. I didn't specifically ask that to be guided. But I
      couldn't get it to work when I sat down to use it. It wasn't
      obvious. It wasn't easy. And my wife was tapping her feet
      expecting me to come to the dinner table. <br>
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      Now enough people are damning with faint praise here that I'll go
      back and try again. But the first sip from the well has been
      pretty bitter.<br>
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    Out in the real world, when software is to be developed, the end
    users are consulted (or should be, when management decides features,
    the software typically is useless to the end users), features are
    discussed, interface and user experience is discussed and over time,
    the project creates software that is useful for the end users to
    accomplish their tasks. Security gets added in long after.  ;)<br>
    What happened here is one thing that corporations hate about open
    source, a developer decided to pick up a project, then change the
    software in a way to the developer prefers, rather than seeking end
    user input.<br>
    I work for a Fortune 200 company, if such a massive change in user
    interface and operability were suddenly introduced, that software
    would very likely be uninstalled from all systems and replaced with
    something predictable.<br>
    But, such sudden changes also give ammunition to those who dislike
    and distrust open source software.<br>
    In a world where change management goes through committees, sudden
    drastic change is unwelcome. When such changes are even heard from
    in an open source project not used by that environment, mistrust of
    all open source projects becomes set.<br>
    Thankfully, MythTV is obscure enough that most corporations would
    have never heard of it, but other projects have shot open source in
    the foot by similar drastic changes.<br>
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    Just a little food for thought from an old systems and security
    engineer, BOFH and information security professional, who also had
    one devil of a time trying to get MythMusic to work and determined
    that feature is indeed a myth.<br>
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