<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, jedi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jedi@mishnet.org" target="_blank">jedi@mishnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 10:06:37AM -0400, Tom Bongiorno wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Kirk Bocek <<a href="mailto:t004@kbocek.com">t004@kbocek.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > On 8/5/2015 11:35 AM, Tom Bongiorno wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Kirk Bocek <<a href="mailto:t004@kbocek.com">t004@kbocek.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> >> On 8/5/2015 5:25 AM, Tom Bongiorno wrote:<br>
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> > Zotac ZBOX-ID11-U -<br>
> > <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173005" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173005</a><br>
> > Zotac ZBOX-ID40-U -<br>
> > <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173015" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173015</a><br>
> > Zotac ZBOX-ID41-U -<br>
> > <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173032" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173032</a><br>
> > Zotac ZBOX-ID84-U -<br>
> > <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173049" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173049</a><br>
> > Zotac ZBOX-ID80-U -<br>
> > <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173034" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173034</a><br>
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> > <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Celeron-DDR3L-1600-Windows-ZBOX-BI320-U-W2/dp/B00M2UKY1Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1438800156&sr=1-1&keywords=Zotac+ZBOX" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Celeron-DDR3L-1600-Windows-ZBOX-BI320-U-W2/dp/B00M2UKY1Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1438800156&sr=1-1&keywords=Zotac+ZBOX</a><br>
> ><br>
> > But this says Intel HD graphics which won't be Ion graphics so maybe not<br>
> > the same thing.<br>
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</span><span class="">> You are correct. This is not the same thing. AFAIK, all of the Zotac ION<br>
> graphics models are now discontinued. I think this a general trend. ION<br>
> based frontends are harder and harder to come by every day.<br>
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</span> Is that nvidia in general or just ION in particular. I know that Zotac<br>
had some more advanced nvidia based machines that were neither ION or ION2.<br>
They had newer GPUs than that.<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">This is what I understand, but may not be exactly correct. The ION computers included a complete Nvidia chipset with integrated GPU and Intel CPU. The Nvidia/Intel agreement expired, Intel licensing rules changed for newer CPUs, or something like that happened. This prohibited Nvidia from continuing to produce ION based systems, and essentially killed any low powered integrated Nvidia based frontends. Intel most likely did this to push their own chipsets with integrated graphics and compete with integrated AMD/ATI solutions.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-Tom</div></div>