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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-01-18 3:49 PM, Raymond
Boettcher wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_5970">Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh,
and the age old question finally comes up! Is the stream
actually encrypted or is there a "Flag" on the stream that
simply says, you should not do that. I think the flag MythTV
is looking for is <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_7182">"Record
Freely..."</b><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6180">See, this is exactly
why I don't have cable. Anyhow, why would Windows Media
Player be authorized to record those channels and not MythTV?
That's like saying MythTV can't play DVD's because they are
encrypted, but that didn't stop people from writing libraries
to make such encryption, decryptable... If Windows Media
Player can do it stock out of the box and Micro$oft is a
company with billions of dollars not under pursuit of the FCC,
there shouldn't be any reason why MythTV can't do it as well.
Cable Companies like Time Warner are going to do this. Yet,
their own DVR Recorders are permitted to record prime stations
such as HBO... What makes the Cable Companies DVR equipment
legal to record copyrighted material, or Tivo for that
matter? Why would I spend $250+ on a Tivo or RePlay TV Device
if they were useless on any major Cable Companies TV Network.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6002" dir="ltr">There is no
recourse in writing such software. Like Torrents, DVD
Rippers, or firearms. It's the person who uses it wrong that
gets into trouble. If you decide to take said recording and
distribute it, sell it, etc. You are obviously in trouble.
But taking the hard drive out of a Tivo or even the Cable
Companies DVR equipment to get a hold of such a recording is
also not out of the question either. So using the Cable
Companies DVR doesn't make the recording any less secure.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_5932"><span></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6224" dir="ltr">Anyhow, I
quote the follow sources:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6235" dir="ltr"><a
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href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_Control_Information">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_Control_Information</a></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6285" dir="ltr">"In regard
to Windows Media Center, shows marked Copy Once can only be
played on the same PC in which they were recorded and the
directly connected Extenders for Media Center like the XBOX
360—ATI Digital Cable Tuner must be running firmware 1.19.12
or Copy Freely is treated like Copy Once."</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6309" dir="ltr">Where
another instance of Mythfrontend on a different PC using the
same network is no different than using a XBOX 360 as an
"extender."<br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6373">And my final
quote... "Some operators tend to set all programs as <b
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_6398">Copy Once, preventing
further distribution after a single PVR recording,</b> and
others tend to set all programs as Copy Freely."</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_7091" dir="ltr">Anyhow, this
is really my underline argument when it comes to recording
Live TV. I know that many developers monitor this stream and
this is something that has kinda bugged me for a long time. I
really think the flag should be changed to "Copy Once."
Anyhow, just my 2 pennies...</div>
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<div dir="ltr">-RayRay-<br>
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style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Bob Sully
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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<b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_5946"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421610953778_5945"
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:18 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[mythtv-users] Time Warner encrypting everything. HDHR
Prime with CableCard unable to record anything.<br>
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Running 0.27-fixes on Ubuntu 14.04<br>
HD-HR Prime x 1 (3 tuners), HD-PVR x1<br>
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Hi all -<br>
The Evil Empire has finally made good on its promise to
encrypt all <br>
channels, including the local broadcast stations.<br>
<br>
HD-HR Prime is now unable to record anything. CableCard
is now useless <br>
on Myth (at least I could previously use it to record the
clear QAM <br>
channels). Of course it works on Winblows Media Center
(did a short <br>
test).<br>
<br>
I've been running Linux on everything, and Myth for years,
don't wish <br>
to switch to Windows.<br>
<br>
Pardon the dumb question...but do I have any recourse? An
antenna is <br>
pretty much a no-go, as I'm in a real fringe area. Right
now the HD-PVR <br>
is handling everything, which means only one recording at
a time.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
-- <br>
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The answer is both. If the stream was not encrypted, the HDHomerun
would not be required to honor the copy-once flag as it is only
required to honor the flags when using the cable card to decode the
stream. The stream is therefore encrypted, and it has its copy
flags set.<br>
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MythTV has nothing to do with the copy flags, which is why the
HDHomerun is not permitted to transmit anything other than "Copy
Freely" programs to it.<br>
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