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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daryl McDonald<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 September 2014 6:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion about MythTV<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [mythtv-users] Zero Byte Recordings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Andrew Potter <<a href="mailto:andrew@potter.id.au" target="_blank">andrew@potter.id.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Potter<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 September 2014 11:45 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> 'Discussion about MythTV'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [mythtv-users] Zero Byte Recordings<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a> [<a href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Watkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 September 2014 11:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion about MythTV<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [mythtv-users] Zero Byte Recordings</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 15 September 2014 14:03, Andrew Potter <<a href="mailto:andrew@potter.id.au" target="_blank">andrew@potter.id.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Perkins<br>Sent: Monday, 15 September 2014 10:26 PM<br>To: Discussion about MythTV<br>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Zero Byte Recordings<br><br>Have you tried going to LiveTV then manually changing to one of your<br>recording tuners (press m, source, switch input, then select tuner 1). Then<br>check each channel one at a time (channel up / down) and check that you can<br>see all these channels with LiveTV and your recording tuners (as opposed to<br>your LiveTV tuner which is the least likely to get used for recordings).<br><br>What region are you in? Have you gone to <a href="http://retune.digitalready.gov.au" target="_blank">http://retune.digitalready.gov.au</a><br>to check whether you are affected by the channel restack? I don't suppose<br>you are eastern South Australia or maybe Murrumbidgee / Upper Murray given<br>your channel numbering, there have been various changes scheduled around<br>June / July / August which might align with your problems? You might need to<br>rescan to pick up changes in frequencies.<br><br>I'm just guessing here.<br>____________________________<br><br>Mark,<br><br>Thanks for replying.<br><br>OK tried changing the channels as you suggested and I thought you had nailed<br>it. I was unable try to access the back-end setup and fix it right away as<br>some waf recordings are happening (that are working). They are not scheduled<br>to finish for an hour or two.<br><br>There is one recording that is currently showing as zero bytes (still<br>showing as recording though) using tuner number 1. I changed the current<br>input to that adapter and there was nothing visible, just a black screen. As<br>it was recording it would not allow me to change the channel. So I stopped<br>the recording (it wasn't working anyway). Then retuned to that tuner. It<br>started on abc and was displaying a picture correctly. Changed to all the<br>other channels also, i.e. Prime, Win and Southern Cross. All displayed<br>picture and audio fine, so now I am baffled. It appears that the tuner<br>sometimes does not tune correctly.<br><br>I think I need to read up on unloading the tuners before shutting down to<br>try and get away from the warm start issues.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br></span>I'm assuming your source is DVB-T?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There were some adjustable tuning delay parameters in the card setup section of mythtv-setup which I had to increase a while ago to get reliable recordings from one of my DVB cards, though I can't remember if the symptom was zero-byte recordings or just failed recordings.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It's possible that when your box is cooler the cards take longer to get a lock? It's a pure guess - but it wouldn't do any harm to tweak the defaults up a bit.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(WARNING. I'm not running the latest MythTV version - these settings may have disappeared now)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David ,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>YES DVB-T.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Will check those tomorrow.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The zero byte recordings have now disappeared. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I updated the bios on the motherboard and now when I shutdown the Tuners are no longer receiving power, so coming up from a cold state rather than warm. Big problem with this is now the Wake On LAN no longer works.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also changed the tuning delays so not 100 % sure on which change fixed it. Am pretty sure it is the power issue though.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Will changed the EUP setting to keep the tuners in warm state and if zero byte recording come back I will then be certain.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Does any body have a method of forcing these tuners to appear to be cold booted? I mean can they be removed and reinstalled using a modprobe or something similar that will make them work when warm booted?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew</span><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>mythtv-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mythtv-users@mythtv.org">mythtv-users@mythtv.org</a><br><a href="http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users" target="_blank">http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users</a><br><a href="http://wiki.mythtv.org/Mailing_List_etiquette" target="_blank">http://wiki.mythtv.org/Mailing_List_etiquette</a><br>MythTV Forums: <a href="https://forum.mythtv.org" target="_blank">https://forum.mythtv.org</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Could it be that updating the BIOS reset the defaults so WOL no longer works? <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Could very well be the case, thanks, I will check that out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>