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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/08/2013 12:42 PM, lists.md301
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM,
Kenni Lund <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Den 08/08/2013 16.23 skrev "lists.md301" <<a
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> I throw this out as food for thought:<br>
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> I realize (and understand) that Live-TV has been of
late a somewhat buggy/neglected feature, for good
reasons. Occasionally people question its value, and I
have generally agreed with that. I will offer a
contrary point of view now, and this is not a plea for
any current "issues" to be fixed soon, but just a reason
for developers not to abandon it entirely.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Out of curiosity, what is the ticket number of the
bug report for this live TV crash? I don't remember seeing such
a report recently.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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Kenni</font></span></p>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Really, you're going to mock me? I
like to think I follow the mailing list (and IRC) pretty
closely. I didn't think there was any secret that there are
issues with LiveTV. I'm sorry if you took offense that I used
a short hand "crash", which may not be technically
accurate--but I don't think it's a far off characterization
that using LiveTV can be problematic, maybe ultimately
requiring a frontend or backend restart.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I happen to heed the suggestion of
several developers I have seen here on the list over the
years, to NOT use LiveTV but instead schedule a recording and
watch it in-progress. I do this for pretty much all of my
MythTV viewing. I only use LiveTV when I'm testing my setup
after some kind of change (usually channel lineup and/or tuner
modification), so I have never personally witnessed a
crash--hence no ticket opportunity from me.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I asked the question several weeks
about the state of MythTV anticipating 0.27, as I am on still
on 0.24-fixes, because it is stable enough for me and I have
seen issues (from reading the mailing list and then looking at
the open tickets) that have made me unwilling to upgrade
(because I don't have the time to experiment properly and be
prepared to revert if it doesn't work well for me). The one
thing I have noticed, from reading the list, is that
"flakiness" has gotten worse (for various reasons) since 0.24,
and pretty consistently no developers have had the inclination
to dive deep and investigate because none of them use it.
Stuff like only a couple of channel changes before LiveTV gets
stuck, or not properly switching between tuners after a
while. <br>
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If you or anyone is willing to say I'm mistaken about all the
stability of LiveTV, I would be happy to hear that. Part of
the difficulty of searching the mailing list archives is
knowing when something is truly resolved. Sometimes people
are silent because of success, but also because they have
given up in frustration.<br>
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I just hope I don't see myself being mocked on IRC for sharing
my scenario and opinion, and now asking a question. I'm most
not definitely asking for my pet issue to be fixed now or soon,
just suggesting that there may be a user base for an existing
feature that has historically had issues and for a variety of
reasons, hasn't gotten much attention. If in a subsequent
release the developers decided to remove LiveTV entirely, I
wouldn't complain about that decision.<br>
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Maybe I missed something in the thread, but I don't think he was
trying to mock you at all. I think he was trying to make sure the
problem was reported somewhere and not lost here on the list.<br>
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I'm running Mythtv 0.26 with 4 frontends and one overworked backend
with three PVR-150's connected to three directTv receivers, and a
HDHomeRun connected to a crappy OTA antenna. I've had some problems
with livetv (usually when the in-laws are over, grumbling about not
being able to easily watch a game or channel surf), but not enough
to report.<br>
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Aside from other recordings taking over when someone is watching
livetv (I have yet to look for the option to have it NOT change the
channel), I've seen my share of video buffer errors or bizarrely
worded errors which kicks the user back to the main menu. It got a
lot better from 0.24 to 0.25.<br>
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-Rich<br>
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