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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/30/2012 09:46 PM,
<pre wrap="">"R. G. Newbury" <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:newbury@mandamus.org"><newbury@mandamus.org></a>wrote:
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:50 -0500
From: "R. G. Newbury" <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:newbury@mandamus.org"><newbury@mandamus.org></a>
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Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Schedules Direct Service for OTA Coverage
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On 12/23/2012 01:08 AM, Joseph Fry wrote:
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<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> I have a channel lineup for my area based on Antenna coverage. I
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> also
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> have a amplified directional antenna that picks up some
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> programming that
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> would normally be outside the normal reception scope of the average
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> Antenna. Is there a way to extend the channel list of schedules
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> direct
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> to include channels that would normally be just outside the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> range of the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> average user? Or can I setup specific channels to preform EIT
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> gathering
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> while populating the other channels using schedules direct?
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> At one point I considered dropping schedules direct, but the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> amount of
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> Guide data that I obtain is very good! Much better than what the
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> cable
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> provider gives their cable boxes. I'm a big fan of getting 2
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> weeks worth
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> of guide data!
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> Maybe I can add more than 1 lineup? Or merge 2 lineups into a master
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> lineup? One from this area and another from where my directional
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> antenna
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> is pointed. So far I haven't had any channel conflicts or
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> anything and
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> the reception is great. I added a 24db gain General Electric
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> drop amp to
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> the mix and now I get 49 stations OTA. Including 2 different
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> ABC's from
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> 2 area's.
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> Anyhow, I didn't know if anyone has ran into any issues like
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> this and
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> knew a good solution to fix it. Thanks!
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> Yes, you can have more than one line up.. Just choose the area you
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> are receiving the extra channels from.. It's never a good idea to
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> mix EIT with SD,from what I have read in the past, they don't play
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span> well together..
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">></span>
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>I think the question is, "how do you create a video source containing
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>both lineups". The input connections page in setup only allows you to
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>link a single source to each tuner, and each source only allows you to
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>select a single lineup.
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<pre wrap="">The answer is: you don't. Myth presumes that all of the channels in a
source can be tuned by any tuner using that source. If a tuner can only
receive some of the channels, then some of your recordings will fail,
because myth will attempt to use that tuner to record a show on a
channel that that tuner cannot receive. So of course, each source only
allows a single lineup, and each tuner 'sees' only a single source. It
is a necessary restraint, but one which users sometimes do not wish to
grasp.
Someone commented that he thought lineups are 'silly'. An SD lineup is a
subset of the channels which SD (actually Tribune Media) thinks you can
receive at your position (generally taken as the geographic centre of
your zipcode/postalcode). You do not need to include all of the
available channels in your lineup, and in fact, some of them may not be
receivable at your location, or not receivable <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>by you<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b>.
You can have 4 lineups on SD. Note that that implies 4 tuners. Even if
you do the reverse splitter trick and feed the same type of source, say
OTA, into a single tuner, you need to be able to find and specify as
your location, a location where ALL of the channels are considered to be
receivable by the SD system and then use that location as your zipcode
position. If there is no such location, then you cannot create a lineup
containing all of the channels which you desire.
Another route is to ask SD to create such a possible lineup by adding
channels to an existing lineup: this is a form of bug report, telling SD
that the actual footprint of an OTA station is larger than previously
thought. A lot of that went on after the digital changeover!)
Note that the zipcode you use for any one OTA lineup can be anywhere you
want. I live in Mississauga, Ontario. I have 2 OTA lineups, one of which
is 'located' in Youngstown, New York and one located in downtown
Toronto. The first includes all the Buffalo stations, and the other all
of the Toronto stations. There is some overlap, but I make sure there
are no duplicates. This DOES mean separate tuners. Only my cable lineup
is tied to the postal code where I actually live.
It sounds like your best bet is a add another tuner, and set up an SD
lineup for each antenna. That's what I do. An HDHomerun provides 2
separate tuners for about $130.00 and adds lots of capability.
Geoff
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I have the same situation, and do not find it necessary to associate
different MythTV inputs with SD lineups. I selected 2 lineups on
the SD site using two different zip codes. Between these two
lineups, all of the channels that I receive are available, but not
in either lineup alone. I then just manually configure each
channels XMLID using either the backend channel editor or the
MythWeb interface and it works just fine. What I have found is that
the MythTV inputs don't care about SD lineups. The only thing that
matters is that the SD download contains data for each channel in a
lineup, which is accomplished by enabling enough lineups on the SD
site to provide such data and configuring the XMLID for each channel
so MythTV knows where it goes.<br>
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On the SD site, "Edit" each selected lineup to configure it to
contain the channels from that lineup you want. Then use the
"Report" button for each lineup to get the list of channels and
their XMLIDs. Enter these XMLIDs into MythTV and you should be good
to go.<br>
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Jay<br>
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