<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:f-myth-users@media.mit.edu">f-myth-users@media.mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:18:34 -0500<br>
> From: "Michael T. Dean" <<a href="mailto:mtdean@thirdcontact.com">mtdean@thirdcontact.com</a>><br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> All 3 of my 1.5TB HDD's I got from newegg were shipped with enough<br>
> bubble wrap wrapped and taped around it that I couldn't even see the<br>
> drive underneath. Also, 2 of them--the most-recent 2--were packed with<br>
> enough styrofoam peanuts or paper that the drive didn't move inside the<br>
<br>
</div>That sure sounds encouraging. Were these coming from the CA<br>
warehouse, NJ, or somewhere else? (You live in FL, do you not?<br>
I dunno if Newegg has warehouses near there.)<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> box. I'd guess the most-recent 2 were better packaged because of all<br>
> the people complaining about the packaging.<br>
<br>
</div>I hope so. The reviews seem to come & go about shipping quality.<br>
I wonder if it's a warehouse thing or a how-busy-we-are thing.<br>
<br>
But if the two reports here so far are any indicatation (N=2! that's<br>
statistically significant! :), then there may be a whole lotta sample<br>
bias at Newegg. I'll spend the evening totalling up non-firmware-related<br>
gripes and compare to the 1T's from various vendors.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Also, when you note:<br>
> <a href="http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.11/100507013e.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.11/100507013e.pdf</a><br>
> -----<br>
> All shock specifications assume that the drive is mounted securely with<br>
> the input shock applied at the drive mounting screws. Shock may be<br>
<br>
</div>...which has -nothing- to do with what happens when it's shocked in<br>
transit, since it's not screwed into an external frame. Many of those<br>
shocks will be to the top metal plate---the one that says "don't push here!"<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> applied in the X, Y or Z axis.<br>
> ...<br>
> The nonoperating shock level that the drive can experience without<br>
> incurring physical damage or degradation in performance when<br>
> subsequently put into operation is 300 Gs based on a nonrepetitive<br>
<br>
</div>In other words, "you get to drop it -once- only".<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> half-sine shock pulse of 2 msec duration.<br>
> -----<br>
> Today's drives aren't your grandfather's HDD's--you know, the ones that<br>
> couldn't ever be moved. Thank the boom in the laptop market for the<br>
> increased shock resistance.<br>
<br>
</div>Nonetheless---dropping a component 1m to a concrete floor can shock it<br>
300G, which is why many boy-they-look-tough things like individual<br>
transistor nevertheless say "fragile". And a 1m drop is pretty likely<br>
for many delivery services if they aren't being careful, so the<br>
padding is essential. (I still remember the 20-year-old story about<br>
the time we saw someone push a monitor box off the back of his truck<br>
directly to the ground near our loading dock, and how the person who<br>
saw it ran down and insisted that the shipper open the box right then<br>
and there before he drove away. Yup, giant crack and imploded CRT...<br>
or another of our employees whose father worked for USPS where they<br>
had a sport of trying to -bounce- the packages marked fragile against<br>
each other in midair so that each landed in the appropriately-labelled<br>
bin... *sigh* :)<br>
<br>
[Certainly when I have things delivered to my house, I can -hear- a<br>
tremendous -thump- if the UPS guy thinks it's "just a box" and throws<br>
it the last meter or so to its destination.]<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> So, just get Tom's Hardware (or whomever) to do some real-world tests to<br>
> see how well today's HDD's tolerate shock under various conditions (bare<br>
> and bubble wrapped drives dropped onto various surfaces from various<br>
> heights with various areas--side, bottom, corner--making first contact<br>
> as well as drives in boxes, with various packaging methods). I'd read<br>
> the article.<br>
<br>
</div>So would I.<br>
<br>
(But it might be sorta -expensive- to research... :)<br>
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