<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Nicolas Will <<a href="mailto:nico@youplala.net">nico@youplala.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 09:27 -0400, ryan patterson wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Bill Williamson <<a href="mailto:bill@bbqninja.com">bill@bbqninja.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Nicolas Will<br>
> <<a href="mailto:nico@youplala.net">nico@youplala.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > is there an easy way for<br>
> > > someone like me running a stock ubuntu "current" +<br>
> mythbuntu to get<br>
> > > .21?<br>
> ><br>
> > Mythbuntu *is* Ubuntu.<br>
> ><br>
> > It is a set of packages inside the Ubuntu repos, nothing<br>
> more.<br>
> ><br>
> > Eventually you can add the -fixes mythbuntu repo, or the<br>
> -trunk repo.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks for the other comments, very helpful... I may give<br>
> backports a go.<br>
><br>
> However, Mythbuntu is not ubuntu if you're on the -fixes<br>
> repo. I have<br>
> a non-ubuntu source in my sources.list with a non-ubuntu key<br>
> signing<br>
> the packages in order to run current mythbuntu. This is not a<br>
> complaint, but I still see mythbuntu as something seperate<br>
> from "base<br>
> base" ubuntu + myth packages.<br>
><br>
><br>
> If you wont complain then I will. I use Ubuntu because I don't want<br>
> to run an unstable, cobbled together OS. Unfortunately Mythbuntu is<br>
> an unstable cobbled together mess. It is embarrassing that mythbuntu<br>
> is the official face of MythTV on Ubuntu.<br>
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</div></div>I fail to understand all the fuss.<br>
<br>
You want MythTV on Ubuntu? fine, get all the necessary stuff straight<br>
from the Ubuntu repositories, including the Mythbuntu Control Center.<br>
Get an upgrade every 6 months in the worst case, sooner if the new<br>
release is considered for the official Ubuntu backports repository (and<br>
it is).<br>
<br>
You want to have the latest and greatest -fixes for the current release?<br>
Fine by me. unfortunately, the Ubuntu release cycle and processes will<br>
not allow frequent updates like that from their repositories. Oh wait!<br>
The Mythbuntu guys are good enough and provide a repository with the<br>
latest -fixes builds, following exactly the same process used for the<br>
official release (using PPA, an official Ubuntu tool, for the in-between<br>
release building). You will get something that you can trust and that<br>
will not break your upgrade cycle with the new official releases when<br>
they come up.<br>
<br>
You want the latest and greatest -trunk? Also fine by me. Same remarks<br>
about its availability inside the official repositories. Oh wait! The<br>
Mythbuntu guys are good enough and provide a repository with the latest<br>
-fixes builds, following exactly the same process used for the official<br>
release (using PPA, an official Ubuntu tool, for the in-between release<br>
building). You will get something that you can trust and that will not<br>
break your upgrade cycle with the new official releases when they come<br>
up. When 0.21 was released, we had access to the packages merely hours<br>
later, if not minutes, not just for the next stable release, but also<br>
built for the current stable. And you can still trust that nothing will<br>
break.<br>
<br>
I think we are quite lucky to have access to all those choices, all<br>
provided by the same set of people, which creates a seamless integration<br>
between the various choices offered (stable, -fixes and -trunk).<br>
<br>
On top of this they do provide an extra level of nice tools like MCC,<br>
the remote control stuff, the dedicated install process and the live CD<br>
frontend. My opinion is that this is quite a value add on top of just<br>
packaging.<br>
<br>
Finally, my experience with the Mythbuntu team with regards to support,<br>
debugging and fixing has been quite stellar.<br>
<br>
I've been known to be ignorant and wrong, but I can understand good<br>
arguments. My view of the situation is quite positive. Show me the dark<br>
side, please.<br>
<br>
Until then, you can safely consider me as a fan-boy.<br>
<br>
[insert distro war disclaimer here - I do not judge other distros or<br>
consider Mythbuntu better or worse than X, Y and Z by plain lack of<br>
experience with said X, Y and Z]<br>
<br>
Nico / camelreef on #ubuntu-mythtv<br>
just a user<br>
<a href="http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc" target="_blank">http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc</a><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br>The problem is I am not interested in almost everything you listed. All the stuff you listed make using mythbuntu into a huge project because I have to figure out what weird setup the mythbuntu guys chose to use. -trunk and -fixes I could care less. I only want the stable release. That is why I choose to use ubuntu. I don't want to deal with different SVN versions etc. Why do they waste time working on a dedicated mythbuntu LiveCD when the official ubuntu liveCD works just fine? I find MCC is annoying to use and almost always slower then doing the task by hand. The mythbuntu guys try to hide everything from the user for no good reason. like when I try to run 'mythtv-setup' it actually runs a script that kills and starts processes without asking me first. Same thing with running mythfrontend. Why hide it from the user by calling it 'mythfrontend.real'? These hidden scripts don't make MythTV easier to use. They make it more difficult to use because MythTV on Unbuntu is different from every other MythTV in the world. So any instructions found in an on-line forum wont work correctly etc.<br>
<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>_____________<br>Ryan Patterson