On Dec 6, 2007 4:08 PM, Ben Dailey <<a href="mailto:ben@inspiredtechs.com">ben@inspiredtechs.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><div></div><div>On Dec 6, 2007 3:34 PM, Matt Emmott <<a href="mailto:memmott@gmail.com" target="_blank">memmott@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Dec 6, 2007 2:40 PM, Josh <<a href="mailto:TwoOneSix@thatclothingco.com" target="_blank">TwoOneSix@thatclothingco.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div>
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I wrote a parser for MythStream that gives you access to the streaming media on <a href="http://www.clevelandbrowns.com" target="_blank">www.clevelandbrowns.com</a> so if there are any Cleveland Browns fans reading this list, let me know and I'd be happy to post my parser for you to use. I might be able to adapt this parser for some other teams if they offer streaming media from there site... let me know.
<br><font color="#888888"><br>Josh<br><a href="mailto:TwoOneSix@thatclothingco.com" target="_blank">TwoOneSix@thatclothingco.com</a><br>
</font><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><div><br>Off topic, there are a TON of scripts for XBMC that let me stream different sites to my xbox.... Why do so few exist for myth? Is it harder to implement than XBMC (which uses Python scripts)? Is it just a lack of interest, perhaps, or worst case, are there copyright issues? Josh, was it difficult for you to write that parser?
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<br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>mythtv-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mythtv-users@mythtv.org" target="_blank">mythtv-users@mythtv.org</a><br><a href="http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users" target="_blank">
http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users</a><br><br></div></blockquote></div>It only took me about 20 minutes to write the parser (they are written in
perl). I think the biggest thing is that on 9.5/10 sites if you
"scrape" the stream URL from the content of the site you're violating
the ToS or T&C (Terms & Conditions). On the contrary, sites
that provide an API for there streaming content (
<a href="http://youtube.com/dev" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/dev</a>) are permitted.<br><br>You
bring up a good point for general conversation... why is it that when I
go to my girlfriends Uncle's house where he runs on Windows Media
Center he has like 100 plug-ins for it that enables everything he could ask except
one to flush his commode (<a href="http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/20347.aspx" target="_blank">http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/20347.aspx</a>).
Is there a reason there is so much interest in writing plug-ins for MCE
over Myth? IMHO MythTV beats out MCE on all phases of what someone
should expect from a Media Center... I evaluated both (including
BeyondTV and SageTV) for months before I finally settled on Myth
(little over 2 years ago).<br><font color="#888888"><br>Josh</font><br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Do you think that there is any correlation to the lack of "interest" in mythstream because it is not an official plugin?
<br><br>Ben<br></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>mythtv-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mythtv-users@mythtv.org">mythtv-users@mythtv.org</a><br><a href="http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users" target="_blank">
http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>To my point, I was referring to plug-ins in general, not just MythStream specifically, but I think there is enough "buzz" about MythStream
<br> that people can find and install it without too much trouble. Pretty much every page I could find showing "Unofficial Plug-ins" had it listed. There COULD be a simple case of people just not understanding exactly what the plug-in does... or, like me, they install it and then try to use it and find it to be "choppy", hard to navigate, and not much use OTB. I removed it shortly after installing it the first time and THEN I read the documentation about parsers and now I wrote 3 or 4 of them and I find the plug-in to be almost priceless. I still have a piece of paper near the TV (for my girlfriend) that have instructions on how to navigate the streams in the interface... it's very hard to get used to using but priceless once you got it down.
<br><br>Here is what the developer (Eric Giesselbach) says in the README for mythstream:<br>======================================<br>MythStream in MythTV integration issue<br>======================================<br>The reason for MythStream's "unofficial" status is that MythTV's lead developer believes
<br>a separate stream plugin like MythStream shouldn't exist. Streaming should be integrated<br>in MythMusic*. This MythMusic integration was the most important original requirement<br>for MythStream code to make it to official status, and I haven't heard of a change in
<br>requirements since. (*reference: <a href="http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2005-10-08">http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2005-10-08</a>)<br><br>Although I would be happy to see MythStream code integrated in MythMusic, that action
<br>alone can't replace MythStream. Internet streaming is about more than playing music, and<br>about more than playing my favorite radio station.<br><br>When I listen to music, I don't care where the music comes from, as long as it just plays
<br>with acceptable quality. When I stream news or a documentary I *do* care where it comes<br>from, most of the time I searched for it explicitly, and I wouldn't like to miss it solely<br>based on the fact that it happened to be a video stream instead of audio only. And if the
<br>content is good enough, I can live with less than 100% stream reliability.<br><br>I also don't expect my music player to be a browser for unknown content. Some presets are<br>good enough. But if I want to enjoy the huge and ever changing world of streams I need a
<br>tuning dial. This way I don't have to bring my stream url's to MythStream. I turn the dial,<br>and MythStream delivers the streams.<br><br>What I would like to do is to adapt MythStream to label reliable Internet streams for usage
<br>in MythMusic or MythVideo. These plugins can then be changed to simply play these "preset"<br>streams. It might even be possible to add streams with schedule information to the existing<br>TV channels. It's *a* good way to use streaming content, and I would be happy to help make
<br>that possible.<br><br>But I will still need that tuning dial. And I don't have the answer where to put it other<br>than the place it's now. I believe the proper solution starts with an effort to integrate<br>MythStream functionallity into MythTV. Starting with the claim that MythStream is useless
<br>as a plugin and then see if some of it's functionallity can land in MythMusic is not a<br>project where I want to devote time to.<br>======================================<br><br>Josh<br><a href="mailto:TwoOneSix@thatclothingco.com">
TwoOneSix@thatclothingco.com</a><br>