<font size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I agree completely. I'm not saying it's the best way to do it, or even a good way, but that's how hundreds of millions of people watch TV, and if Mythtv aims to serve these people, that's a lot of people that need to be trained to use it correctly, rather than "simply" making the system suit their needs.
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Not to nitpick, but he OSD usually shows you what show is on the channel, rather than telling you there's a </span></font><font size="2"><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.headon.com%2F&ei=Z-lCR6uiKYauiAGaq7mVCA&usg=AFQjCNFAfDEQqh1fWrEt0QsIeOZl-GhQxA&sig2=_2QMHZ4P4ehH0SY9DXmQTQ" class="l" onmousedown="return rwt(this,'','','res','1','AFQjCNFAfDEQqh1fWrEt0QsIeOZl-GhQxA','&sig2=_2QMHZ4P4ehH0SY9DXmQTQ')">
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<br><br>On a side note, I realize that not every person in the world uses MythTV. Does anyone have a count of the mythtv user base? <br></span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 20, 2007 8:52 AM, Brian E.W. Wood <
<a href="mailto:beww@beww.org">beww@beww.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
On Tue, November 20, 2007 06:36, Josh White wrote:<br>> What I meant by "instant response" was when you press the button to change<br>> the channel, the channel would change as fast as one could imagine it
<br>> changing, rather than 1-2 seconds behind as some tuner cards do (my<br>> PVR-250<br>> performed like this when I used it under MS Windows with the included<br>> Hauppauge PVR software, which was much slower than Myth). I'm not sure
<br>> what<br>> the cable box lag would actually be if you were to log it on an<br>> oscilloscope<br>> or something, but maybe 50-100ms. This scenario really doesn't come up<br>> for<br>> me at all, but my wife likes to channel surf. So when you change the
<br>> channel up 20 times, and then realize you skipped over a channel you<br>> wanted<br>> to watch, pressing the channel down button should get you there in a half<br>> second or so. But if there's too much lag, you'll press it twice or more,
<br>> until you see the channel you want to watch, but you'll end up stopping on<br>> the channel below where you wanted to go, and then you over correct the<br>> other way, and it gets frustrating. Of course, if you accept the
<br>> limitations of the technology and change the channel slowly, you can work<br>> with it just fine. As a machine designer, I know it's kind of a cop out<br>> when you complain that the user isn't using it right. If the machine is
<br>> designed well, it will work as the user wants it to work. For the last 27<br>> years at least (I'm 27 years old), most any TV I have used was capable of<br>> changing channels about as fast as you can press/release the channel
<br>> up/down<br>> button, or capable of stopping on the channel currently displayed when the<br>> channel up/down button is held (some older cable boxes excluded). What<br>> I'm<br>> referring to would be on an SDTV or a computer monitor, either of which
<br>> would introduce very little delay. I would care very little if the entire<br>> viewing experience was delayed a second or two (or even a minute or two)<br>> as<br>> long as the experience *seemed* instantaneous. I have no experience
<br>> whatsoever (beyond walking through best buy) with HDTVs, so I cannot speak<br>> for what delay is introduced through such a system.<br>><br><br></div></div>I would think that if your wife wants to channel surf then Browse Mode
<br>would be right up her alley, and virtually delay-free.<br><br>The problem with surfing the way you describe is that very often you get a<br>commercial, promo or other non-program material, so you then have to wait<br>
until the actual program comes back to see what you have surfed to. This<br>generally introduces far more delay than any Myth system I have seen.<br><br>beww<br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>_______________________________________________
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