Okay, so the answer to my polite request is that bandwidth is a
concern. The example given was 50 KB, so I'll focus on that: 50
KB costs almost nothing to transmit, almost nothing to store, and (the
text) provides value for new readers.<br>
<br>Who does the proposed solution provides value for?<br>
<br>
I see that Isaac
Richards has registered the domain with GoDaddy, which most likely
provides mailing list services (I have domains at DirectNIC, and
presume the service is similar). So this is a personal account,
not something at SourceForge or the like (I'm helping out the
MythTV-related AMICUS project, which is freely hosted on SourceForge,
and joined this list at Andrew's suggestion).<br>
<br>
Isaac, are your costs an issue?<br>
<br>
Yet again, there is absolutely no sarcasm or antagonism
in this email. I did receive an answer to my query, but it does not weigh
heavily enough against what I perceive to be the benefits of seeing the
entire conversation in each email. Are there other reasons behind
this proposed policy of banning Gmail users, or is that it?<br>
<br>
I will add no more to this discussion thread until Isaac responds, since this
email may be contributing to increased costs because I am not deleting
any part of it. I will gladly contribute $20 toward the mailing
list maintenance payments, if there are overages. Isaac, do you have a PayPal account?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Ken Beal<br>
<br>
PS Gmail very nicely collapses more than X lines of ">" text (I do
not know what X is, it appears to be something like 10-15 or so).
I have been using Gmail to read multiple mailing lists and very much
appreciate its sorting and threading features, and especially the fact
that by using Gmail for my mailing lists, I'm not interrupted at work
when email arrives (and don't have to switch to "digest mode" which is
more difficult to sort/search).<br>
<br>
PPS The proposed solution not only puts a burden on the reader if the
reader has not seen the rest of the discussion; it also puts a burden
on the responder, who must spend more time deleting text than I spent
typing this text up here. My time is valuable, and I would like to
spend it getting value from, and adding value to, a user
community. Not deleting text.<br>
<br>
PPPS Why won't you start on top-posting? It seems like the world
is moving in that direction, otherwise Gmail's interface would have
been designed differently. (Google engineers do tend to come from
a Unix background.) Again, not trying to antagonize, just
observing. Since you won't start, I don't have your perspective to compare against.<br>
<br>
PPPPS
It's interesting that, on the mythtv-dev list, one of the people
participating in this current discussion just said: "Which is exactly
what I said in my post (which was cut from Colin's reply)." He
also said a bit lower, "That applies for parts of the same movie, but
is not the case for multiple movies with the same name--which was the
point of my post (which you've cut from the reply)..." So, it
seems that deleting text is already causing inefficiencies in
communication on
this very forum (well, the developer side of this forum).<br>
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Nick</b> <<a href="mailto:knowledgejunkie@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">knowledgejunkie@gmail.com
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On 25/02/06, Michael Haan <<a href="mailto:michael.haan@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">michael.haan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Oh dear - here we go....<br><br>And I have a GMail address...
<br><br>Hopefully Ken will soon appreciate GMail's highly useful threading
<br>abilities, and understand that any new threads started will be<br>threaded in their entireity. Imagine if everyone replying to a thread<br>posted a 50KB message with 2 lines of new content, each time. Imagine<br>what a waste of bandwidth this would be for both mailing-list users
<br>and for Isaac's mail server.We won't even start on top-posting ...<br><br>Nick<br>_______________________________________________<br>mythtv-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mythtv-users@mythtv.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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