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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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color:windowtext'> mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Brad Fuller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 13, 2005
12:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Discussion
about mythtv</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Installing older
Kernel (was: Re: [mythtv-users] ivtv-kmdl andlirc-kmdl for 2.6.14-1.1637
missing)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Brad Fuller wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Brad Fuller wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Brad Fuller wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Darren Coleman wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>This is good advice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have learnt through previous trial-and-error to stop blindly using "yum<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>update" to upgrade the kernel until I am sure ivtv-kmdl has been updated for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the new kernel. :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Daz<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org">mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:mythtv-users">mailto:mythtv-users</a>-<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:bounces@mythtv.org">bounces@mythtv.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jos Hoekstra<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: 13 November 2005 09:05<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Discussion about mythtv</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] ivtv-kmdl and lirc-kmdl for 2.6.14-1.1637<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>missing<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As usual we should give Axel a bit of time to get everything together,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>he 's doing a great job building everything so we don't have to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Paying back with a bit of patience is the least we can do ;)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jos<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks all for replies. <br>
I honestly didn't know that I was using a kernel that was so new! I was just
going through Jarod's guide.<br>
Ok, what kernel is safe?<br>
<br>
BTW, Axel sent this FYI:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ivtv is in the repo, but the generated links on the webpage broke since<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nov. 5th. Thanks for reproting! Either add <span
class=moz-txt-tag><i><span style='font-style:italic'>/</span></i></span><i><span
style='font-style:italic'>all<span class=moz-txt-tag>/</span></span></i> in the link or use<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>smart/apt/yum etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Finally alsa-driver is broken on 2.6.14, too. I'll upload 1.0.10rc3<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>later today.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On the long run I'll try to focus with v4l/ivtv/mythtv bits on RHEL4,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and try to convince Jarod to rebase his guide (although 99% is the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>same as FC4). FC4 is upgrading the kernel far too often, including<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>major upgrades and broken ones, too. And I'd like a more stable<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>platform for productive systems, including PVRs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<div><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>---<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>When I do:<br>
yum list kernel*<br>
<br>
There are no other kernel's available but the ones I have installed
(2.6.14-1.1637_FC4 and the old 2.6.11-1.1369_FC4)<br>
How can I go back a version with yum? (say 1532, seems appropriate?) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>oh... I did try to manually install the 1532 kernel
with rpm, but rpm complained that I had a newer kernel and refused to install.<br>
<br>
I don't know about kernels and versions AFA: can you install a kernel with rpm
and then just update grub.conf to pick which one to boot with? Will all
kernels still be available IF you install them with 'rpm" rather than
'yum' or 'apt-get'? <br>
<br>
Put another way, does yum and apt-get have some magic of installing multiple
kernels (in their unique dirs) that rpm does not?<br>
<br>
Better would be if I could yum install kernel at some older level, but none
seem to be available on the fedora sites. (per my last msg)<br>
<br>
thanks for the help,<br>
brad<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>before you ask, yes, I used rpm -i not -U to install
the older kernel rpm<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You could always exclude the kernel’s
from being updated by yum and build a custom kernel [ <a
href="http://www.kernel.org/">www.kernel.org</a> ] for your system. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>"Let ye without segmentation fault cast the first int!"<br>
<br>
Korey Fort</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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