[mythtv-users] Frontend locking up and unable to kill it.

Allen Edwards allen.p.edwards at gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 19:14:49 UTC 2019

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:01 PM Allen Edwards <allen.p.edwards at gmail.com>

> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:10 AM Stephen Worthington <
> stephen_agent at jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:05:30 -0700, you wrote:
>> >On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 9:27 AM Stephen Worthington <
>> stephen_agent at jsw.gen.nz>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 08:01:48 -0700, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Here is what I did:
>> >> >top (to find the PID)
>> >> >sudo kill 1555
>> >> >top (still running)
>> >> >sudo kill 1555
>> >> >top (still running)
>> >> >sudo kill -9 1555
>> >> >ps aux | grep mythfrontend (still running)
>> >> >sudo killall  mythfrontend.re
>> >> >ps aux | grep mythfrontend (still running)
>> >> >I believe it was at this point I went downstairs and found the popup
>> >> asking
>> >> >if I really wanted to kill the program but with no cursor I was
>> unable to
>> >> >randomly land on the "Yes" area and it did not respond to a "Y" from
>> the
>> >> >keyboard. The UI was still interactive and I did a right click on the
>> >> >mythfrontend tack on the taskbar and said close. The computer was
>> still
>> >> >acting normally at this time except no cursor. I then went back
>> upstairs
>> >> to
>> >> >my remote session.
>> >> >sudo shutdown now -r
>> >> >Then I went downstairs to the computer and pressed the power button,
>> which
>> >> >normally does a graceful shutdown. Nothing happened so then I held the
>> >> >power button down and the computer turned off.
>> >> >
>> >> >So as you can see, I did kill PID twice.
>> >>
>> >> OK, so it is not the double kill problem.
>> >>
>> >> If you need to find the cursor, you can do Ctrl-Alt-T to open a
>> >> terminal window and the cursor will show up when it is over that
>> >> window.  So you move the window until it is lined up above the thing
>> >> you want to click, and then move the cursor straight down off that
>> >> window until you think you are in the right place and click.  With
>> >> only one degree of freedom, it usually does not take too many tries to
>> >> hit the right location.
>> >>
>> >> Another thing worth trying is to shut down and restart X - if
>> >> mythfrontend is locked up waiting for something in X, that should
>> >> unlock it.  If you are running lightdm as the display manager, then
>> >> you can do that with:
>> >>
>> >> sudo systemctl restart lightdm
>> >>
>> >> I do not know if that works with gdm, as I have had to switch to
>> >> lightdm on my 18.04 systems in order to get around a gdm problem that
>> >> makes x11vnc not work.  It is easy to switch from gdm to lightdm -
>> >> just install the lightdm package and reboot.
>> >>
>> >> It is also a good idea to have a terminal window open in the
>> >> background anyway, as with some of the mythfrontend problems, it does
>> >> a broadcast crash message (usually an "Assert failed" message) that
>> >> gets displayed on all open terminals.
>> >>
>> >> >I was under the impression that Ubuntu 18.04 would break my LIRC code
>> and
>> >> >become another project to get the system working again. I ran
>> Mythbuntu
>> >> >8.04 until just this year and never had the problems I have had with
>> the
>> >> >latest install. I thought I had it all fixed but then these two lock
>> ups
>> >> >happened. Very frustrating.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, the latest mythfrontend does have a couple of ways of crashing.
>> >> But I have not seen it lock up as you are getting.  It also has lots
>> >> of nice new things too, and more coming.
>> >>
>> >> It was the change to kernel drivers and devinput in 14.04? 16.04? that
>> >> really broke LIRC setups, but you will have already met that.  So yes,
>> >> the LIRC code as installed by the 18.04 package is badly broken, but
>> >> you just need to run this script from my web server to fix that:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.jsw.gen.nz/mythtv/lirc-ubuntu-18.04-install.sh
>> >>
>> >> I spent a fair few hours working out how to fix LIRC, but now that I
>> >> have, it works properly as normal and you should not need much effort
>> >> to get it going.  You just need to run the lirc-setup program and
>> >> adjust a couple of names in your LIRC config files and it should all
>> >> work, if you have a remote such as an MCE or Hauppauge that uses the
>> >> devinput driver.
>> >>
>> >> I do not think you have said what version of MythTV you are running -
>> >> is it v30+fixes?
>> >>
>> >> >Allen
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>
>> >
>> >MythTV froze again this morning and I will try to clarify the behavior
>> and
>> >then ask for some specific help.
>> >
>> >As suggested I had left a terminal window open and there were no messages
>> >but the cursor was working. I tried closing myth using the close click
>> >selection on the dropdown in the GUI. At that point I got the dialog
>> about
>> >do I really want to close the non responsive program. I moved the
>> terminal
>> >over as suggested and was able to use the mouse to close Myth.  I
>> restarted
>> >it without problems.  My wife started the show clicking on resume from
>> >bookmark and it went to the same point in the program and froze again.
>> This
>> >time I tried the CTRL-ALT-BS and everything on the GUI closed down but
>> >nothing restarted as it normally does. Upstairs to open a remote session
>> >and did a shdo shutdown now -r.  About 5 minutes later the computer
>> finally
>> >restarted and things worked fine.  We even played through the scene that
>> >froze without incident. It is possible that the CTRL-ALT-BS would have
>> >worked if I had waited 5 minutes but I did not.
>> >
>> >I am going to assume that the GUI is hanging up and causing the 5 minute
>> >delay on shutdown.  I am also going to assume that is why CTRL-ALT-BS did
>> >not work. An acceptable solution for my use of Myth would be to have
>> >CTRL-ALT-BS close a frozen myth without a 5 minute delay. When I was
>> >running Mythbuntu 8.04 we occasionally had myth freeze and used
>> >to resume and that was fine. Can anyone tell me how to make Myth close
>> >without hanging the system for 5 minutes?
>> >
>> >PS.  I did fsck as suggested a few days ago and there were no errors.
>> >
>> >
>> >Allen
>> There is no need to go upstairs to use a remote session.  If you do
>> Ctrl-Alt-F1 you should get a text mode screen running a terminal
>> session where you can login and kill things or restart X.
>> I am surprised that Ctrl-Alt-BS works.  When I last tried it, probably
>> Ubuntu 12, it was disabled.  I think it is possible to enable it, but
>> my recollection from back then is that the reason it is disabled is
>> that it was not likely to work as well as it used to in earlier
>> versions due to changes in the way all the GUI setup works.  My
>> experience is that when I have had to restart X using "systemctl
>> restart lightdm", it restarts rapidly even if there is a frozen
>> program.  But it is a while since I last had to do it - Ubuntu 16.04
>> probably.  I am suspecting that your problem with Ctrl-Alt-BS may not
>> be related to having a frozen mythfrontend.  You should probably test
>> using it when mythfrontend is running normally to find out.
>> Are you running LIRC for your remote control?  Does it have a spare
>> button that you are not using like the Power button at the top of my
>> MCE remote?  If so, you could program LIRC and irexec to use that
>> button to execute a command such as "systemctl restart lightdm".  Or
>> just "pkill mythfrontend.re".  Or a script that does the pkill first
>> and on a second press of the button does the restart command.
>> _______________________________________________
>> CTRL-ALT-BS is disabled by default but can be enabled with
> XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" in /etc/default/keyboard
> The problem with CTRL-ALT-BS and Myth is that when the system restarts, a
> new instance of Myth is created. In testing I could get 10 instances of
> Myth running.  The solution is to start Myth but not as a service. This
> change can be made in the GUI by editing the auto start command.
> On my system, CTRL-ALT-BS does the identical thing as systemctl restart
> lightdm from all outward appearances. I see the same text on the terminal
> and they both take just a second or so to restart. I have also read that
> what the CTRL-ALT-BS function does is restart the X session so I don't
> think just restarting X another way is going to solve the problem. I
> believe I will still get the 5 minute delay especially considering shutdown
> now had the delay.
> Any idea what is hanging up the shutdown? More to the point, how do I keep
> it from doing it?
> Allen

Obviously this is a difficult problem to troubleshoot as I have to wait for
another lock up. But I did a bit of looking and have modified this file
And added this line
The default is 90 seconds

My thought is that there were 3 or 4 things that had to time out so it took
5 minutes. With this change it might take only 12 to 16 seconds.

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