[mythtv-users] delaying backend startup until the network is up

Stephen Worthington stephen_agent at jsw.gen.nz
Tue Dec 11 13:13:53 UTC 2018

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 07:29:58 -0500, you wrote:

>On 12/11/18 2:04 AM, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:03:02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> on my production system I use without issue the systemd override provided by.
>>> sudo systemctl edit mythtv-backend.service
>>> [Unit]
>>> After=NetworkManager-wait-online.service
>>> When I built a test system using the same HDHR tuners but with the mythhdhrrecorder external recorder I used the same overide setup. However, if I boot my test system I get a lot of errors on 2-4 tuners and the errors are related to opening the tuner. This is solved by doing the following after boot:
>>> sudo systemctl stop mythtv-backend
>>> sudo systemctl start mythtv-backend
>>> What is special about mythhdhrrecorder and external recorder blackbox that makes this systemd override not work???
>>> Jim A
>> Looking at the source code for mythhdhrrecorder, I can see that as it
>> starts up, it tries to access https://my.hdhomerun.com/discover as
>> part of its discovery of the HDHR devices.  So it looks like you need
>> full Internet access up (including the name servers working) before
>> that will work.  So I think what is needed is a systemd unit that
>> first does a DNS lookup of my.hdhomerun.com (say once a second), and
>> when that works, does a ping of my.hdhomerun.com and when that works,
>> the unit startup succeeds.  Then you can have mythbackend wait for
>> that unit to be started before it starts.  However, there should be a
>> timeout (say 30 seconds) after which mythbackend gets to start anyway,
>> otherwise if your Internet access is down, you will be unable to start
>> mythbackend.
>> I have never built a systemd unit like that, but I think it would work
>> if you wrote a script (or some Python) to do the DNS lookup and ping,
>> and put it in the ExecStartPre line to be run before the main
>> executable of the unit gets run from the ExecStart line.  The
>> ExecStart line would then need to do nothing.  I am not sure how you
>> are supposed to do nothing in systemd, but running /bin/true should
>> work.
>> So a unit "full-internet.service" like this might work:
>> [Unit]
>> Description=Wait for full Internet service to be available including
>> DNS.
>> After=NetworkManager-wait-online.service
>> [Service]
>> Type=simple
>> ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/full-internet.py
>> ExecStart=/bin/true
>> [Install]
>> WantedBy=multi-user.target
>> and in your mythtv-backend override file, use:
>> After=full-internet.service
>> The full-internet.py script would handle the DNS lookup, ping, and
>> timeout after 30 seconds.  It might be a good idea if it took the DNS
>> name and timeout values as command line parameters, to make it more
>> generally useful.  I have a script I use for reloading the drivers of
>> an Ethernet card when the connection drops that I could use for a
>> framework to make a full-internet.py script.  It does regular pings to
>> see if the connection is up so it has most of the code I would need.
>> Let me know if you would like me to do this.  I think this is a
>> problem that has cropped up in various forms for years, so it would be
>> worth my writing this if it was going to be useful.
>Thanks, I'll play around with the full-internet.py idea. Since this is a 
>test build I can't screw it up.

If you want to use the Python ping code I already have, take a look at


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