[mythtv-users] ***Spam*** Re: OT: A major difference between Widows and Linux

[Hika van den Hoven]

Hoi Another,

Thursday, May 12, 2016, 11:50:51 AM, you wrote:

> Having been a windows user since 3.0 (yes there really was) and a self

Oh there was even windows 2 and I guess 1, but that was more like the
WP shell. Starting with 3.0 it only started to get known and gaining
popularity.

> taught 'nix user since Fedora 4 (I remember the days of having to
> pretty much compile every app needed), I can say the largest
> 'debugging' difference is the level of information you can get from
> the two OSs.  In Windows often you get a BSOD and can only do post
> reboot analysis of the dump.....whereas in 'nix I very very very
> seldom see an app kill the OS....thus allowing 'real time' analysis of
> what's going on still.

> This can be critical in identifying and solving a problem.

> I think it also important in your 'mindset' that you differentiate
> between app generated issues and OS generated issues......sometimes in
> Windows an app will just keep crashing until you do a reboot and it
> can be quite difficult to even identify the cause.



> On 12 May 2016 at 10:29, Andréas Kühne <andreas at kuhne.se> wrote:
>> 2016-05-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 John Pilkington <J.Pilk at tesco.net>:
>>>
>>> On 12/05/16 09:51, Damian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> If this isn't appropriate, then feel free to ignore the question and let
>>>> the thread die. I'm only putting it here because you guys are the
>>>> smartest computer users I know, so I'm interested in your opinion.
>>>>
>>>> A fundamental difference between Windows and Linux, it seems to me, is
>>>> ...
>>>> In Linux, if pretty much anything goes wrong, the user needs to enter
>>>> some commands into the terminal in order to get to the bottom of the
>>>> problem.
>>>> In Windows, no matter what goes wrong, there is almost never a 'need' to
>>>> go to the command line.
>>>>
>>>> If your job is administering networks with Windows or something, then
>>>> you probably completely disagree with the above observation. My starting
>>>> point is my own experience. My 'geek level' is significantly lower that
>>>> some of the geniuses in this group. However, I was always the guy who
>>>> friends and family called on to fix their machines if things whet wrong.
>>>> So, I've seen a lot of Windows problems, and I never had to use the
>>>> command line to fix them!
>>>>
>>>> Linux has changed MASSIVELY over the last 15 years. It's users no longer
>>>> need to touch the terminal whichever things are working, and installing
>>>> an OS is a breeze (oh how I remember the pain it used to be!). However,
>>>> as soon as something goes wrong (and things always go wrong), the answer
>>>> always starts with the terminal.
>>>>
>>>> This seems to be a huge barrier to casual users to me. And although the
>>>> GUI's are great now, we still need the terminal for problem solving.
>>>>
>>>> Windows never needed the terminal for problem solving! I seem to
>>>> remember that we had to 'load' Windows 3.1 from DOS, but ever since
>>>> Windows 95, the problems (of which there have been many!!) have always
>>>> had a solution that was still within a GUI.
>>>>
>>>> Is this because they are built significantly differently?
>>>> Is it because us Linux geeks like being the gatekeepers to the causal
>>>> users GUI, but don't want to let them have 'actual control'?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not looking for a flame war or anything. I just find this a
>>>> genuinely interesting question.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Damian
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not a command-line natural, and use GUI tools when I can, but a
>>> well-crafted command line can often deliver a result when a GUI procedure
>>> might need several paragraphs - or a video - to describe;  and graphic DEs
>>> come in so many different flavours.
>>>
>>> 2 cents ?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> I think the design philosophies are the difference. In linux (and the Unix
>> world in genera) - a command should do ONE thing and do that well. That's a
>> default philosophy and you will see it in the command line tools - create a
>> user - one command. Add a user to a group - another command and so on. There
>> are other commands that can do some of these things combined, but still the
>> default commands are there.
>>
>> Also there is not ONE linux GUI. There are several. Just from memory: Gnome,
>> KDE, Unity, and so on. All of these have their own design philosophies on
>> how things should be created and the "look and feel" of things. Also the
>> different GUIs are created by individuals not companies. If I have a problem
>> I can checkout the code and fix it myself or create a new tool for solving
>> my problem. This also means that the GUIs can be different even WITHIN the
>> same distribution.
>>
>> Windows on the other hand is designed by ONE company and they decide exactly
>> how to create programs and tools. Because of this it is easier to design GUI
>> tools that solve most issues. Also they have (at least since Windows 2000)
>> started to use the GUI as the main interface. Some things you can't do with
>> the CLI other things are hard to find CLI equivalents.
>>
>> As to which solution is best? I think both have strongpoints. However, I
>> have mainly been using *nix desktops for around 8 years now and feel very
>> lost in Windows 10 for example. A colleague  of mine has ONLY been using
>> Windows and feels completely lost in CLI instead....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andréas
>>
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