[mythtv-users] MythTV needs to listen on 2 ports

Mon Nov 3 16:04:12 UTC 2014

My reason for coming on here was 2 fold.
1.  To find the history and the reason as too why it appeared MythTV was only listening on 1 Network.  Which Raymond was able to fill me in on that.  Again, I thank you.
2.  To see if there is a work around to MAKE MythTV listen on 2 networks.  I am not one for compiling, but sure would have been willing to pay someone via paypal to do so remotely an use SCREEN utility to allow me to see so I learn how.

If #2 was not an option, I had a fall back plan that I was going to implement until my ability to spin up a dedicated media network was possible or Myth could support a multi network environment.

I did not want network hacks to allow mythtv to work.  And that was what everyone kept giving me.  I have tried a several time in several ways to explain that.  The best suggestions where those who said to spin up a dedicated media network.  What I have tried to explain is that in order for me to do so, I need more hardware and was looking for a stop gap till that hardware can be purchased in Feb.

To Joe's comment about VLANS and switches.... I totally understand I don't NEED a new switch to spin up a new VLAN.  My Layer3 had 5 vlans already.  As far as its concern, I could have multiple VLANs on a single port if I so wished.  But I don't want to move cables around, and I don't want a port for my media vlan in the middle of my block of parents or kids jacks.  On this note, I am sure my wrongly using the term port when referring to the physical network connection didn't help here.

To Mark P's comment about my ignoring suggestions...  I was not ignoring, I have set guidelines as to what I am looking for an a need for understanding as to why if it's not possible.  An everyone was ignoring my wants for my network an providing me the easiest solution for them to provide which was network forwarding or some form of network hack.  If everyone would have said "Its not possible", I would have dropped it an went forward with what I ended up doing anyways.  But everyone one wanted to argue with me and not try to understand why I have things setup the way I do.  All I was trying to do was explain my network (which is my learning lab an playground) an I know is overly complex.  If we want to take this offline, I would be more than happy to start a separate email with just the people who want to chat about this.

Since no one as responded to my comments about my getting off the group (even to me directly), I will stay on.  I am betting I can learn some new things, an at some point provide something as well.

John Moore
OSG VM Solutions Team

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Hika van den Hoven
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 7:24 PM
To: Discussion about MythTV
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV needs to listen on 2 ports

Hoi Stephen,

Saturday, November 1, 2014, 2:46:53 AM, you wrote:

> On 10/31/14 8:50 PM, Joseph Fry wrote:
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> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 8:11 PM,             Raymond Wagner
> <raymond at wagnerrp.com>             wrote:
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> On 10/31/2014 1:03 PM, John Moore (Compucom                     Systems Inc) wrote:
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> I                       am just totally taken by surprise that
> MythTV                       cannot listen to more than 1 Network.
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> On 10/31/2014 9:14 AM, John Moore (Compucom                     Systems Inc) wrote:
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> The                       problem is a need to keep the networks
> isolated                       which means more hardware to
> accommodate a                       dedicated network.
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>    I still don't understand this specific                 scenario.
> What's the difference between MythTV sitting                 on two
> different networks and listening on both, versus                
> MythTV sitting on one network, and having a routing                
> process shovel packets from a second network at it?  If             
> MythTV has access to both networks, those networks                 cannot be considered isolated.
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> Raymond,
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> He and I chatted offline, and I can't really wrap my              
> mind around his approach to networking.  He has some              
> really weird notion that it's better to put each VLAN on a          
> separate switch.  He says he can't add another VLAN until           
> he spends $500 for another layer 3 switch because he              
> doesn't like the idea of having a mix of vlans assigned to          
> ports on the same switch... even though that's the whole            
> reason that layer 3 switches were created in the first               place.
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>                Anyway... I don't think he wanted help, just wanted
> to               understand why Mythtv only listens on a single IP.
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>      I can't wrap my mind around it either, as enterprise switches
> handle     all manner of VLANs on the switch.
>      I run multiple VLAN environments off of my old Cisco Catalyst
> 4000     with no problem. I did the same at multiple enterprise
> environments,     even off of multiple Catalyst 6509's. 
>      There is a reason that the supervisor module is as "smart" as
> it is,     it's so that you can route between each VLAN as needed.
>      I wonder if he's using VLAN 1...
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There is no use in here in trying to understand. People are as they are and luckily computers are easier to understand.
We try to offer assistance and ideas but what people do with it is wholly up to them selfs.
Home networks are often setup far more complex than strictly needed.
It is our learning, testing and playing ground. And if you have set out to do it one way, because you want to learn how to do that, ...
;)

Tot mails,
  Hika                            mailto:hikavdh at gmail.com

"Zonder hoop kun je niet leven
Zonder leven is er geen hoop
Het eeuwige dilemma
Zeker als je hoop moet vernietigen om te kunnen overleven!"

De lerende Mens

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