[mythtv-users] modernizing mythtv

[Mike Perkins]

On 09/05/14 23:42, John Morris wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-05-09 at 14:13 +0100, Mike Perkins wrote:
>> On 09/05/14 01:27, John Morris wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2014-05-07 at 22:33 -0500, Saul A. Peebsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> No need for SSH, X has native feature to be accessed remotely, SSH is
>>>> needed only if accessed over untrusted network. You can have an X app
>>>> installed in a remote box - no X needed in this box - and you can run
>>>> this app from any box that has X installed. It is amazing how people do
>>>> not remember basics.
>>>
>>> Tried it lately?  Most modern distributions 'discourage' the practice.
>>> The local X server won't be bound to a TCP port out of the box and if
>>> iptables is running it will block any outside connection anyway.  And
>>> fixing it gets harder and harder every year.  And Wayland will put a
>>> final end to remote X unless you install an X11 emulation layer exactly
>>> like Windows folk must.
>>>
>> Huh? The X server runs on the box you sit in front of. The ports are standard.
>> iptables? You only get that (on Debian, at least) if you ask for it.
>
> Take a look at a default install some time.  X is bound to the local
> UNIX Domain only, not to TCP/IP.  Been that way on RH derived installs
> since RHEL4 at least.  You have to manually adjust GDM to invoke X with
> a switch to enable network support now.  You need to add this
> to /etc/gdm/custom.conf:
>
> [security]
> DisallowTCP=false
>
>> And if Wayland doesn't have a networking option it will be of limited use to
>> most *nix users.
>
> That is exactly what they have in mind.  They disabled the network a
> decade ago and nobody marched with pitchforks and torches so they see no
> reason to care what we think.  *NIX users are not the target audience
> anymore, we allowed too many refugees in from Windows and they took
> over, their cultural values now dominate the decision process.  Network
> transparency is no longer even seen as a virtue.  And don't even get me
> going on systemd and it's blatant move to adopt Service Manager and
> Event logging from Windows.
>
We're both answering regarding particular (different) distros which we use.

I'm running Debian Wheezy with LXDE on my workstations. On the MBE there is just 
the base installation to which I add ssh, mysql and mythtv.

Gnome? Just say no. That means that your /etc/gdm/custom.conf doesn't even exist 
on any of my installations. If it /did/, it would /still/ be on the host that 
you're sitting at.

Don't you get it? On my MBE there is no X installation at all. It isn't 
required. So no Gnome or any other desktop, nor configuration for same.

-- 

Mike Perkins