[mythtv-users] HDHomerun Prime channel scan woes with 0.27 mythtv

[Michael T. Dean]

did my best to fix the top posting and broken quoting...

On 02/11/2014 05:25 PM, ozooha wrote:
> From: Michael T. Dean
>>
>> On 02/08/2014 11:16 AM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
>>> On 2/8/2014 10:16 AM, ozooha wrote:
>>>>  | 702WC    | 702    | I702.28459048.microsoft.com  | 702 WCBSDT
>>>>  |        0 | Default  |
>>>
>>> Oh. You mean that illegal XMLTV-like grabber. You're only allowed to
>>> access that data feed if pulling it down and using it with Windows
>>> Media Center.
>>
>> Yeah, and unfortunately, the website of that grabber does its best to
>> make sure people don't realize that it's violating ToS for the WMC data
>> listings source,
>> ...
>> So, for the OP's benefit, I just wanted to mention that the only legal
>> source of listings data for North American users is Schedules Direct or
>> (the very-poor-quality, often-very-short-term-if-even-available) EIT
>> data (transmitted in the stream by the broadcaster).
>> ...
>> The $25/yr I spend on Schedules Direct is /very/
>> worthwhile to me in that it makes MythTV an amazing luxury DVR (and is a
>> tiny amount compared to the other costs of using MythTV--including
>> hardware costs and time costs).
> You were being presumptuous about how I make my xmltv file. I am sorry that I am not persuaded by your articulate sales pitch.
>

No, I'll tell you what I was being...  I was being *nice* and giving you 
the benefit of the doubt that you were using an illegal grabber out of 
ignorance, rather than because you don't care to play by the rules or 
because you're too cheap to pay for the service (but unwilling to do 
without the service so you don't have to pay for it) or you're just 
plain evil or something.  So, you're right I was being presumptuous.  I 
presumed you were a stand-up person.  It seems I had no right to give 
you the benefit of the doubt since--now that you're no longer 
ignorant--you not only seem to plan to keep stealing the service, but 
are also now lying about it.

The "xmltvid" column (which contains the TMS station ID) you quoted from 
your own database (and now publicly and permanently archived at, among 
other locations, 
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/563321#563321 ) shows 
you're using the 
Microsoft-licensed-for-use-only-in-WMC-with-only-Microsoft-software data 
source.  And now you're saying we were being presumptuous about how you 
make your xmltv file, which must mean you're not using *the 
service-theiving* mc2xml grabber, so now I must presume you've made your 
own service-thieving grabber.

If you're going to keep stealing listings data, go somewhere else to get 
help with MythTV.  In stealing listings data, you're hurting the entire 
MythTV community--the people who are paying to get licensed listings 
data so that Schedules Direct will be able to keep licensing the data so 
that we can keep using MythTV.  People who steal the service aren't 
contributing their fair share of the licensing cost (and are why the 
cost of Schedules Direct has been raised from $20/yr to $25/yr--but 
still /significantly/ less than the $10/mo cable-/satellite-/tivo-DVR 
users pay for it).  If there aren't enough members of Schedules Direct 
to license the listings data from TMS, MythTV is likely to lose the only 
source of listings data for North America--meaning MythTV could become 
completely useless (or, at best, barely functional) in North America.

Or maybe you should be using Windows Media Center (since you seem to 
think you have a license for WMC) instead of MythTV.  If you do (have a 
license and use WMC), then you won't be stealing the service.

And as for the triple post to the list of your smarmy I'm-not-stealing 
post, is that what they mean by, "Methinks thou dost protest too much"?

Mike "no longer acting like a salesman" Dean