[mythtv-users] EPG Accuracy (Was: record at any time on channel <CHANNEL> is missing in master soon to be .27)

[Thomas Mashos]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Simon Hobson <linux at thehobsons.co.uk>wrote:

> Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> >Now, if you can't see the advantage of getting around a crappy EPG by
> >using the appropriate rules vs fighting your local elected
> >representative who won't give a toss.. I guess there's no point
> >arguing further, and you can go back living in lala-land
>
> I'd go further and suggest that it isn't really any business of our
> elected representatives. As long as the descriptions are not misleading,
> then why should a commercial operation (or anyone for that matter) have to
> use a proscribed form of words ? I can see cases for some critical things
> (eg drugs), but not for TV.
>
> So the matter of EPG accuracy comes down to a contractual thing between
> supplier and customer. Now <some offical body> might be interested if an
> EPG has just outright misleading stuff - for example designed to persuade
> people to watch a particular channel when they wouldn't otherwise by
> falsely claiming to have something popular - but otherwise, not their
> business.
> The only sort of example I cna think of might be if they advertised to be
> showing (say) Premier League Football - but are actually showing a Third
> Division match between "Who Atheletic" and "Never Heard of Them Rangers".
> Can't see any channel getting away with that for long before people cotton
> on.
>
>
> I'm with the others. Over here (UK Freeview) there are two classes of
> repeat that fit into this :
>
> 1) Same broadcaster.
> Eg, BBC shows repeats of popular stuff on BBC3 and BBC4. So for example,
> Top Gear is originally transmitted on BBC2, but repeats of old series are
> shown on BBC3. ITV does similar with ITV3 being near enough dedicated to
> "classic" stuff.
> There isn't really much excuse for the EPG to differe, but it does. I
> suspect that rather than making and storing the EPG data, it's regenerated
> for the "old repeats". It's not uncommon for the first showing (and short
> term repeats) to have a reviewers comments, while later showings just have
> a generic description.
>
> 2) Different broadcaster.
> The classic case here is Dave - a channel almost exlcusively dedicated to
> showing old material. They'll most likely have licenced the material from
> the original copyright holder - not neccessarily the original broadcaster.
> They'll take the generic EPG data that I assume is provided by the
> copyright holder and use that.
> So say a program was originally shown on BBC1 - the BBC will probably have
> used their own description (often including a mini review). So when Dave
> show it a few years later, the EPG data will be completely different.
>
> In both cases, the chances of getting anything fixed is on the low side of
> nil. In the first case there could be grounds for complaint as it's the
> same boradcaster, but in the second then it's not Dave's fault, and the BBC
> won't give a toss about something they broadcast several years ago.
>
> So yes, I use extensive channel filtering.
> Ofen it's "this channel", but also fairly often I write a power rule of
> the general form "title like 'Something%' and callsign in ('BBC1',
> 'BBC2')". But then it's not a problem for me as I used to write SQL
> regularly as part of the day job - I can see it's not going to have a high
> WAF though !
>
> Any suggestion that there are better ways is "a bit wide of the mark". Yes
> it would be great if the EPG never changed, but that's isn't going to
> happen no matter how many of us who understand why it should improve
> complain. We don't count - we don't even show up in the noise threshold of
> viewing figures.
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Thanks,

Thomas Mashos
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