[mythtv-users] Upgrading from pre-0.22 MythTV versions

[Igor Cicimov]

Ah yes forgot to mention I was running LTS 8.04 so upgraded from 8.04 to
10.04

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Igor Cicimov <icicimov at gmail.com> wrote:

> I upgraded to MythTV 0.23 about 2 weeks ago from 0.20 I've been running
> for years. No problems at all. I also upgraded the ATI proprietary driver
> to the latest version. The Ubuntu itself had 0.23-fixes in it's
> repositories and I also added some ppa I found online for higher fixes
> version. All running good. I decided to stick with the official Mythbuntu
> releases though so not trying 0.24 or 0.25 since 0.23 does all I need.
> Except BD playback ...
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:52 AM,  <f-myth-users at media.mit.edu> wrote:
>> >    > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:09:09 -0500
>> >    > From: Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal at gmail.com>
>> >
>> >    > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:50 PM, <f-myth-users at media.mit.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >    > > I've been pondering this for a couple weeks, ever since I saw
>> Mike's
>> >    > > commit of 2012-03-09T15:20:56-08:00 and his message re "Upgrad
>> failing
>> >    > > from schema 1214 to 1265)" [sic].  This is a new thread 'cause
>> I'm not
>> >    > > sure if very late replies to old threads typically get seen.
>>  Sorry if
>> >    > > this is a bit long, but thanks for whatever you can clarify.
>> >    > >
>> >    > > I understand the problem with supporting old Myth versions if
>> their
>> >    > > surroundings also change, but can you be a little clearer on a
>> few
>> >    > > issues here?  And I'm hoping to perhaps change your mind, or at
>> least
>> >    > > get workable ways forward---maybe support old versions until
>> 0.25 is
>> >    > > released and -then- drop them, with more warning than the zero
>> that
>> >    > > such users got before your commit?
>> >
>> >    > Cutting the below, can't you just upgrade to 0.23, 0.24, then 0.25
>> in order
>> >    > using the tarballs?  I've seen that before in plenty of commercial
>> products
>> >    > and should work just fine here was well.
>> >
>> > My impressions of why this wouldn't be easy:
>> > (a) The tarballs are often not the latest release in any given major
>> >    version.  Is it now the case that there are up-to-date tarballs
>> >    for the latest of -fixes in "all" (for some definition of "all")
>> >    Myth versions?  If not, what's the right source?  git?  svn?
>> >    Does it vary based on the age of the release?
>> > (b) Building requires grabbing a lot of dependencies.  That's -way-
>> >    easier if you're starting with a package instead of a tarball,
>> >    so you can do "apt-get build-dep mythtv" or whatever and be sure
>> >    you actually have a consistent and compatible-with-itself set of
>> >    supporting packages.
>> > (c) Building old versions often winds up in dependency hell, so
>> >    you often need to install an OS of the right vintage as well.
>> >    Remember we're talking Qt versions, MySQL versions, maybe default
>> >    charset issues, I dunno.  And that's ignoring capture devices,
>> >    which I'm assuming one would -not- build except to get the backend
>> >    to start, but that then requires a working dummy tuner or something
>> >    else that most users never do, depending on how picky the backend
>> >    is about starting enough to even upgrade itself.
>> > (d) Many older distros either stop offering -everything-, or stop
>> >    updating packages.  This means that someone trying to actually
>> >    go the package route may wind up in trouble as well.
>> >
>> > I can easily see just one of these causing a lot of hairpulling,
>> > especially if done long after any given release/package/etc was
>> > current---in some distros, it might not even be -possible- to go
>> > back far enough.
>> >
>> > Are these concerns invalid?
>> >
>> > Here's another question:
>> >
>> > Let's just take Ubuntu, since that's what I'm running.  For either
>> > the Canonical-supplied packages or those from Mythbuntu, are those
>> > routinely rebuilt for (for example, just 'cause it's an LTS) 10.04
>> > against the -latest- -fixes?
>>
>> For the canonical packages, they stay at the (ubuntu) release-date
>> version, as this search shows:
>>
>>
>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mythtv-frontend&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
>>
>> For the mythbuntu repos you get updates. For example on 10.04, you can
>> get the latest 0.24-fixes as well as master (which they describe as
>> 0.25, although it is not as 0.25 is not yet released)
>>
>> from the repos FAQ:
>>
>> How long will you keep doing builds for my version of Ubuntu?
>>
>>    If your version of Ubuntu is an LTS release, you can expect to
>> have any MythTV version released up until the next Ubuntu LTS
>> available to you.
>>    If your version of Ubuntu is a standard release, you will have the
>> version of MythTV that was available in that release as well as one
>> more afterward.  So if the release launched with 0.23, you will have
>> 0.23 and 0.24 available to you.
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