[mythtv-users] 0.25 mpeg2 lossless transcoding works again! hallelujah! except...

[Michael T. Dean]

On 03/14/2012 05:53 PM, Mike Perkins wrote:
> On 14/03/12 20:13, jk90090 wrote:
>> On 3/14/12 11:38 AM, Mike Perkins wrote:
>>> On 14/03/12 15:30, jk90090 wrote:
>>>> Moving it to mythtv-setup is the wrong direction IMHO.  I feel it's bad
>>>> design to move more things to that interface backend.  There really
>>>> should only be *one* graphical interface for Mythtv (not two!), with all
>>>> setup screens within it.  The mythtv-setup should be able to but run in
>>>> text-only mode for the very basic setup (DB setup) and then use the
>>>> frontend for further configuration like provider, card, channel setup,
>>>> etc.  Without this, you can't run a windows-less backend and that feels
>>>> to me like it defeats the purpose of having a split between frontend and
>>>> backend.  This might end up driving me crazy enough to go about adding
>>>> this improvement to the development tree for 0.26.
>>>>
>>> "Without this, you can't run a windows-less backend"
>>>
>>> Oh, yes you can! ssh -X or ssh -Y can do this perfectly well from any other
>>> host. I believe you can use vnc or other methods too. ssh is the way I've
>>> maintained my MBE for years, and it doesn't even have X installed.
>>>
>>> The way forward seems to be a separate web interface, which I understand is
>>> planned for a future release. Till then, mythtv-setup over ssh works well enough.
>>>
>> Mike, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that still requires you to
>> have the Xlibs on the backend... When I say windows-less, I mean
>> completely devoid of X.
>>
> That's an interesting one. It seems that currently there *are* X libs on the
> box, although I don't run X on it at all.

Qt requires X libs.  MythTV requires Qt.

X libs are approximately 10MB, installed.  If you really have a problem 
with that, you should buy a HDD made after 1991.  :)

And, FWIW, Qt debug build with demos and examples:  4.5.3 = 838MB; 4.6.2 
= 999MB; 4.7.3 = 1.3GB; 4.8 = 1.3GB...

And with that Qt 4.7.3, if you remove debugging, it's still 500MB, and 
of that, demos are 15MB and examples are 55MB and docs are 300MB, so 
even if you pare it down to basics, Qt 4.7.3 is still 130MB = 13 times 
the size of X libs.  Qt 4.7.3 libs, alone, are 80MB (=8x the size of X 
libs).

(This is also why people shouldn't be worried about installing 
mythfrontend on a backend-only machine or mythbackend on a frontend-only 
machine.  See 
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/507780#507780 and the 
rest of the thread--and note that pebender, who replied that the size of 
the binaries is "in the noise relative to the other software needed to 
create a running distribution," is maintaining a distro specifically 
tailored to diskless operation-- http://www.minimyth.org/ --so should 
have a good idea of what is and is not a concern.)

Mike