[mythtv-users] 0.25 Music

Thu Mar 8 20:26:12 UTC 2012

----- Original Message -----
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Nasa <nasa01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > From: Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > one man's playlist is another man's queue. and vice-versa.
> >> >> >> I think the issue here isn't whether something is called a
> >> >> >> queue
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> playlist, but rather: It seems mostly everyone here wants to
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> able
> >> >> >> to select a track and have it play, rather than have to go
> >> >> >> through
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> hassle of having to build a playlist then as a separate
> >> >> >> action,
> >> >> >> go
> >> >> >> play the playlist, even just for a single track. Thay also
> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> arrange and browse their music as files/folders already on
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> drive,
> >> >> >> not an artificial list order made by the player.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Speak for yourself,
> >> >>
> >> >> I rest my case... (friendly jab, I'll buy you a beer)
> >> >>
> >> >> context for my thinking on how MythMusic should work as I sent
> >> >> previously: I've been thinking about the interface for MythMusic
> >> >> for
> >> >> about 4years, during which time I've lived with 9 different
> >> >> people
> >> >> (we
> >> >> have a 5 bedroom apt), and our friends, who have all used our
> >> >> apt-wide
> >> >> MythTV setup. during that time I've been able to follow the
> >> >> music
> >> >> listening habits of all these people, including what they are
> >> >> used
> >> >> to
> >> >> using on their laptops, and how they all interface with
> >> >> MythMusic,
> >> >> as
> >> >> well as how they have asked me to help organize their music on
> >> >> our
> >> >> fileserver for their use in MythMusic. My point is, I haven't
> >> >> read
> >> >> anything on this list as far as preferred use is concerned that
> >> >> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> not encountered from my sample group. There are a few distinct
> >> >> methods
> >> >> people have for how they listen and mentally organize their
> >> >> music.
> >> >> What I posted previously in this thread is what I've found to be
> >> >> the
> >> >> method that would cover the essential way people think in terms
> >> >> of
> >> >> music playback given a fixed database and screen. Granted, this
> >> >> method
> >> >> works best for those with an HDTV, and does require some "fancy"
> >> >> GUI
> >> >> effects, but it can be done, and I think would provide an
> >> >> excellent
> >> >> interface for music playback overall.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I never select a single track to play -- I have
> >> >> > no interest in selecting song after song after song. While I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > an extensive (over 150 Gigs) of music in a somewhat order
> >> >> > folder
> >> >> > format
> >> >> > - I don't listen to my music that way. I tend to select a
> >> >> > genre
> >> >> > (yes,
> >> >> > a total pain to organize) and listen to it. I may create
> >> >> > unique
> >> >> > playlist
> >> >> > for future listening. I don't tend to listen to a full album
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > don't tend to listen to a single artist, only. You shouldn't
> >> >> > assume
> >> >> > that the vocal members of the group represent the majority of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > group.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd be interested to know how you organize your music currently
> >> >> in
> >> >> MythMusic.
> >> >
> >> > I don't actually organize my music using mythmusic... The only
> >> > thing
> >> > I
> >> > do for customizing my listening options is to create "smart
> >> > playlist".
> >> > BTW: smart playlist don't have to be based on local media --
> >> > they just have to be access to the media (contrary to your
> >> > suggestion
> >> > -- "Smart Playlists" - smart playlists(for only local media)).
> >>
> >> Sorry, yes, I worded my question incorrectly (at least for the
> >> information I'm looking for from you)...
> >> I'd be interested to know how you organize your music currently FOR
> >> USE IN MythMusic?
> >> I agree, organizing *in* MythMusic would make me rip my hair out.
> >>
> >> Does MythMusic currently have "smart" playlists? (I've never really
> >> used that feature so I don't know)
> >> If it does, my comments about it in my previous email would not
> >> reference in any way how they are currently done, mostly because I
> >> don't know that so I don't want to tie myself to the current
> >> paradigm.
> >>
> >
> > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic#Smart_Playlist
> 
> Ah, yes, that is essentially what I had in mind, I did not realize it
> was already possible! Though it seems like they show up in the
> interface?
> I see also what you mean by the comment on local media, I should have
> been more clear in that "local media" I meant media local to the
> MythTV system and not through a service such as Spotify, rdio, etc. So
> anything in the database regardless of which machine it is on.
> 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >> I agree in that the screenshot is too busy for MythMusic directly,
> >> what I am aiming for is the workflow concept of how that works. I
> >> also
> >> think it may be too much for a standard definition TV regardless,
> >> that
> >> said, I've never used MythTV on a standard tv and I can't imagine
> >> the
> >> current interface would work well on it either.
> >>
> >
> > I'm sorry,
> >
> > I don't follow about the idea of a "workflow", maybe I missed your
> > point
> > with the very busy image :}
> 
> haha, yea, and it's so much easier explaining not via email!
> 
> by workflow I mean how you navigate finding your music.
> 
> For instance, right now, using 0.24 MythMusic's directory display mode
> I would navigate to All My Music, and then navigate through the
> directory hierarchy I have created, until I find the album/track I'm
> looking to play.
> 
> How I imagine a workflow based on what MythMusic (and in some ways how
> iTunes also does it, amongst other media players as well), is that I
> would go to the Library section for the MythTV local music, then using
> filter sections, for instance: Genre, Artist, Album, I would first
> select a specific Genre (or "all" if I don't care which Genre, or
> perhaps a few different Genre if that is what I want), which would
> then only display the Artists, Albums, and tracks which are tagged
> with the selected Genre. Next I'd be able to choose a specific
> Artist(s), which would then filter out to show only the Albums and
> tracks by that artist(s).

This is how XBMC does it...  MediaMonkey use a folder hierarchy that effectively
does the same thing.  AND if one (using the latest beta) goes into Setup->Media
->Select Music (forgive me if the names are slightly off doing it from memory)
you have effectively the same thing.  

Sure, it's an odd place to put that option - but it is there.  Try it and report
back.

What isn't there (and since I haven't specifically been looking for it) is 
an option to follow your folder structure.  However, finding/selecting a single
song is straight forward.  

> 
> My preference would be that those filters are user selectable. For
> instance, WinAmp lets you have 2 or 3 filters and each filter type can
> be selected from the various tag categories available (or even a
> combination of two, ie Artist/Album, which is essentially just both
> together). The user could choose a default number (say between 2 or 3)
> and which tag category to filter, so that each time they go into
> MythMusic those are used, but they could also change them while in
> MythMusic as well.
> 
> does this make more sense?
> 
> <snip>
> 

.

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