[mythtv-users] 0.25 Music

[Nasa]

----- Original Message -----
> --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] 0.25 Music
> > To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 1:10 PM
> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Ryan
> > Patterson <ryan.goat at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Christopher Kerr
> > <mythtv at theseekerr.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Consider a common scenario.
> > >>
> > >> You select a single track from a list you've
> > browsed to, likely an Album. Then:
> > >> a) Only that single track plays.
> > >> b) The list (album) continues to play from that
> > track.
> > >>
> > >> I, for one, would expect b), which implies a
> > playlist.
> > >
> > > And I for one would expect a). Why should mythtv play
> > anything but
> > > the one tract that was selected? I hate programs that
> > assume they
> > > know better than me with regards to how to interpret my
> > commands.
> > >
> > > I have never use playlists with any media player. I
> > don't understand
> > > their purpose. All I want is a queue that I can add
> > tracks to and
> > > have them play in order.
> >
> > one man's playlist is another man's queue. and vice-versa.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve
> 
> 
> I think the issue here isn't whether something is called a queue or a
> playlist, but rather: It seems mostly everyone here wants to be able
> to select a track and have it play, rather than have to go through the
> hassle of having to build a playlist then as a separate action, go
> play the playlist, even just for a single track. Thay also want to
> arrange and browse their music as files/folders already on the drive,
> not an artificial list order made by the player.

Speak for yourself, 

I never select a single track to play -- I have
no interest in selecting song after song after song.  While I have 
an extensive (over 150 Gigs) of music in a somewhat order folder format
- I don't listen to my music that way.  I tend to select a genre (yes,
a total pain to organize) and listen to it.  I may create unique playlist
for future listening.  I don't tend to listen to a full album and I 
don't tend to listen to a single artist, only.  You shouldn't assume
that the vocal members of the group represent the majority of the group.

> 
> Any frustration in this thread is apparently caused by a sense that
> you the developer are adamant to force your own preferece onto us
> without also providing ours, even though most people have already made
> it clear they don't like your approach, at least as the only option.
> 

I generally don't jump into these *debates* but I thought I should remind
people that these developers are doing this on their free time and based
on the concept of *scratching an itch* -- if they want it that way, they 
code it that way.  If someone else wants something different how about
suppling a patch.  Or if your not a coder, how about explaining how your
approach is significantly better.  Reading this long thread, the single 
argument against how the developers are developing it is that it's not how
you (you not being *you* but the generic you) are used to doing things.
Which, quite honestly is neither here nor there.  I like the database
approach, which actually provides means of growing capabilities, while some
like a flat filesystem approach.  The developers get to decided, and I 
for one am totally cool with that.



> As to the a) or b) scenario: Personally I'd feel that if you select an
> album (i.e. folder containing mp3s) you should get to hear all the
> tracks in it. If you select a single mp3 file then it should only play
> that one.
> 
> If you select an existing playlist file then you get to hear the
> playlist. Obviously this implies building a playlist should therefore
> save a file (ideally in a portable format like .m3u), so you can do it
> once and re-use the same playlist later, even if you make/use another
> playlist meantime.

While I have long wanted a means to play .m3u files -- I am totally down 
with a means to import the playlist into the database and playing it 
from there.  While exporting a playlist maybe a nice feature, if the developers
don't see fit to add that feature -- a table dump is pretty straight forward.
You could probably do that today.


> 
> Playing an album, track or playlist should always be as easy as a
> single action.
> 
> The player should support a loop on/off toggle button. In loop mode,
> you would hear whatever you have selected re-played ad infinitum.
> Although I personally never use shuffle mode, I guess that would also
> be a nice option for others that do.
> 
> Its not rocket science, but for some reason big companies like
> Microsoft and Apple have totally lost the plot. They have made their
> players so "user-friendly" it takes hours to learn and setup, the
> music library never ends up right, and it takes a million operations
> to find/play anything when it should be one click.
> 

Again, stop speaking for the masses.  I have yet to find anything that
hard to use. Period. All I ask for is that it be consistent.

Nasa

> No-one wants a music player in mythtv like that, but from earlier
> posts it sounds like you're close to copying a lot of their ideas.
> 
> Not that I think mythmusic will ever get this bad, but I especially
> detest media players that scan the drive for file types it recognises
> to build/store a "My Media" list. I also detest media players that
> have store frontends.
> 
> Just my 5c, for what its worth.
> 
> Neil.
> 
> 
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