[mythtv-users] THIS IS A NON-COMMERCIAL MAILING LIST (WAS: Re: Torc for iOS - Application Submitted to the App Store for Review)

Nick Rout nick.rout at gmail.com
Tue Apr 17 04:32:08 UTC 2012

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Christopher Kerr <mythtv at theseekerr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Jean-Yves Avenard <jyavenard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 17 April 2012 13:23, Christopher Kerr <mythtv at theseekerr.com> wrote:
>> > Yep. The first thing I did after reading Chris' message was to check if
>> > there was a stable release of Torc yet. The MythTV devs do a great job,
>> > but
>> > right now they're treating the end user as a second class citizen.
>> Oh, come on !
>> how is asking to talk about commercial products elsewhere got anything
>> to do with "treating the end user as a second class citizen"
> Is the commercial product of benefit to MythTV users? Then the natural place
> for its discussion is amongst MythTV users....on the cannily named
> "MythTV-Users" list. And when those same users complain about the developer
> response? You tell us that your rules are for our own good - we're just the
> users, after all, why should our opinions matter? Maybe a rule change would
> be considered - if we provided a patch.
> But frankly my complaints are much broader than that. MythTV 0.25 took about
> 18 months, and ultimately failed to deliver:
> - The promised replacement for mythtv-setup
> - Anything resembling a useful version of MythMusic

10 Developer left project;
20 goto start of thread;

> - Any improvements at all to the utterly broken state of commercial
> detection in Australia and the UK
> I've followed the development closely, and I know that 0.25 brings lots of
> changes "under the hood", which is great, but what do we have to do to get
> long-standing usability problems addressed? (Hint: If your answer is "write
> a patch", you're not helping. Some people have too much on their plates
> already, that doesn't make their opinions worthless) The features that get
> implemented seem to have absolutely no correlation with what the users asked
> for. In the case of the MythMusic rewrite, ideas were solicited and then
> utterly ignored, resulting in a new interface many users find completely
> inscrutable - not for the first time, we've been handed an "improved"
> interface which seriously regresses on the one we were complaining about
> before!
> - Chris
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